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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« on: November 08, 2012, 03:24:03 PM »

Perhaps the answer to the problems the GOP is facing could be running up margins with the whites, particularly blue collar whites who didn't show up to vote this time and who used to vote Democrat. There is no real reason why white working class would continue to vote for the Democrats in the next election.

Perhaps the GOP could forego NM, CO, FL and VA for a more populist message in PA, MI, WI and MN?
That would have to be a strong anti illegal immigration message.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,084
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM »

Perhaps the answer to the problems the GOP is facing could be running up margins with the whites, particularly blue collar whites who didn't show up to vote this time and who used to vote Democrat. There is no real reason why white working class would continue to vote for the Democrats in the next election.

Perhaps the GOP could forego NM, CO, FL and VA for a more populist message in PA, MI, WI and MN?
That would have to be a strong anti illegal immigration message.

If they do that they'll have to moderate their stances on unions and accept that unions can engage in collective bargaining, otherwise their message will go nowhere

Support for private sector unions, but opposition to public sector unions.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,084
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 04:00:27 PM »

Perhaps the answer to the problems the GOP is facing could be running up margins with the whites, particularly blue collar whites who didn't show up to vote this time and who used to vote Democrat. There is no real reason why white working class would continue to vote for the Democrats in the next election.

Perhaps the GOP could forego NM, CO, FL and VA for a more populist message in PA, MI, WI and MN?
That would have to be a strong anti illegal immigration message.

A. Eventually Texas becomes a swing state so the GOP needs to change their immigration policies sooner or later.

B. Even if they could pull off your plan they would be gaing in states that loses EV and losing states with growing EV numbers.


My proposal is not the real solution. It’s just a temporary fix for the current problem.
Real solutions take time and this proposal is buying time.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,084
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E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 04:06:36 PM »

Opebo, North Carolina and Georgia will probably remain Republican because the whites will adopt the mentality of the besieged and start voting like Mississippi/Louisiana whites.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,084
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E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 07:28:50 PM »

Well getting past the issue of the Pubs getting more comfortable with persons of color and all, and continuing the Pub cold shower theme here, it may be that if Hispanics don't move on up in Social Economic Status (SES) at a rather brisk pace, then the Pub malaise may be quite terminal - estan muertos.

Alas, I am afraid it's not the matter of SES or of economics at all. I haven't seen any evidence to show that, as Hispanics go up the scale, they become less Dem. Even Cubans are now not at all solidly Republican. It's the Jewish thing. Rich Jews are not voting Republican - the ones who are are the Russian and the Orthodox (and these are not very high up). Same w/ Hispanics. The Republican party has chosen to alienate that electorate by exhibiting open prejudice against Hispanics - tough luck, they are there to stay.

Here’s a poll done by Latino Decisions.

http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Tracker-toplines-week-10.pdf


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Bottom line: It’s the economy, stupid. How I perceive the economy and how they perceive the economy are two worlds. That’s why I don’t understand it.

Bottom line 2: The GOP needs a compassionate conservative to win the Hispanic vote. Immigration reform is not a must, just some progress in that area.

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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,084
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E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 04:11:19 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2012, 04:15:32 AM by Ljube »

During the entire period of polling, between 37% and 51% named immigration the most important issue. I don't know how you can read this as anything but a very forceful statement that this is super-important.

Anyway, it's not so much immigration reform, but why it is not adopted. People do feel that the reason for Republican opposition is xenophobia. It is hard to ask a Jew to vote for an anti-semite. It's no different here.


I think that immigration should be promoted because it increases economic growth. I think the only way to go is amnesty, citizenship for children of illegal immigrants and opening up for more immigration.

The best way to dispel fears that the Republicans are xenophobic is for Republicans to nominate a Hispanic in 2016.
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