Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations

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I think the GOP has a better-than-usual chance at losing if Roy Moore wins the nom, but it's taking a big risk because if he wins the nom and the Dem loses, then we have Senator Roy Moore.

As a Republican, I would not like the fundraising national spur for fundraising that would give Democrats.

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I thought just hit me. Alabama as runoff primaries, right? If so wow I could see Roy Moore winning the first round realistically how does he win the runoff?

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When I see legit polls showing Moore with a good chance to win, not just make, the primary runoff, I'll get worked up. Until then, meh.

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It might get strange into the run-off lol.

Roy Moore is much more authentically trumpian. Strange is just an impostor. I think the Trumpkins will see that and give Moore the nomination.

Roy Moore isn't like Trump.

Maybe not if you view Trump as someone with a set of coherent views. But if you see Trump is a culmination of all of the fringiest wings of the GOP, as we should because that's how he won the primary, then we should see Roy Moore's wacky theocratic bluster as perfectly in line with the three legged stool of the Trump appeal.

A lot of people who voted for Roy Moore in all those primaries, perhaps all of them even, voted for Trump because of similar reasons, they "tell it like it is".

And even more importantly " stands up to all those politically correct elitists"

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Has anyone seen polls of how Moore, Brooks, and Strange would each do in the head to head runoff?

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Has anyone seen polls of how Moore, Brooks, and Strange would each do in the head to head runoff?

The general? Or a primary runoff?

Moore vs Strange: Moore 45% Strange 34%

Jeez. So Moore actually may have a shot in the runoff after all. Wowzers!

No numbers regarding matchups with either candidate against Brooks, I assume?

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I like that the NY Times page has no mention of Kennedy on it at all, once the results start coming in I'll be laughing at that.

Also Roy Moore will sadly become a Senator, sullying the GOP Brand even further.

Nobody but political junkies outside of Alabama does know or is going to know who Roy Moore is.

That's an exaggeration, but regardless his National recognition will go through the roof once he's elected to the Senate and starts spouting his crazy on a national stage.

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Moore refers to Native Americans and Asians as "reds and yellows"

He did not refer to them as that. He used lyrics from a gospel song. Heard it in church for years

Seriously. Moore is an awful Christian Ayatollah, but this comment literally doesn't hit the top 100 reasons to vote against him.

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Pence is also going to Alabama on Monday to campaign for Strange: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/mike-pence-luther-strange-campaign-alabama-242852

The fact Trump, Pence, and McConnell want Strange to win only makes me want Moore to win

Why? The polling gives Strange a stronger chance of being Coakleyed.

Because I'm enjoying this Republican schadenfreude as total idiots descend upon their party: Kelli, Moore, Kid Rock...it's one bozo after another

You probably said that about Trump too

And we were right then too. The fact he drew an inside straight in the electoral college doesn't change that.

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I think Jones will pull this out; Coakley led Brown by over 20 points a few months before the MA Special election.

Keep telling yourself that.. Massachusetts will at least elect certain Republicans ie. Charlie Baker and Mitt Romney. Alabama has not elected a statewide Democrat in a while

This.

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lool

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He said this at Strange's fücking rally? lmaoooo

Did be f@!king really?

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Roy Moore's son Caleb arrested for criminal trespassing in Etowah County.

The Law and Order Party.

I mean not that I like Moore, but what does a Senate's candidate adult son getting arrested have anything to do with the party at large?

I was getting ready to agree, and then I read some of the linked news stories.

 for starters, junior is apparently employed as an intern and Clerk at the center for moral law which daddy Moore founded. He undoubtedly has his job as a result of Dad, and Dad apparently and trust him enough to put him in even a low-level staff position despite an arrest record that would make it tough for him to get a job at Denny's.

On top of that, Moore Senior is now arguing that the arrest was just a cheap political trick.

So yeah, the whole public judgemental morality, but private moral laxity so common to the religious right is apparent in spades by this story.

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Jones TV ad that I think is pretty good.

Meh. Not terrible. He looks slightly shell-shocked and out of place.

 What the hell is this background setting anyway? I can't tell if it's someone's dining room or a local tea shop

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Roy Moore's son Caleb arrested for criminal trespassing in Etowah County.

The Law and Order Party.

I mean not that I like Moore, but what does a Senate's candidate adult son getting arrested have anything to do with the party at large?

It's more the hypocrisy that tends to come out from the GOP. Poor people who defraud benefits are scum who ought to starve, but rich Republicans engaging in bribery is fine and GOP primary voters don't bat an eye. Abortion is murder and pregnant women should die rather than have one, but Republican politicians can encourage mistresses and daughters to get abortions and it's no problemo.

At the core of this is the fact that Republican law and order rhetoric is mostly a racist vendetta against ethnic minorities, while as long as the perpetrator is white they're fine with all sorts of crime being forgiven and running away from legal principles.

That's insane. Are you sure that you guys aren't the racist ones for insinuating that this law and order rhetoric focuses on minorities?

Because it totally does, and even its own proponents have privately admitted so since the 60s. Read some of Reed Atwater's admissions on the subject.

Really man. You've got to be naive to the point of living in a cave to miss the fact that Law & Order political rhetoric inevitably has strong racial overtones, and not coincidentally.

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Kristol is someone with whom I vehemently disagree but I gotta give him props for not taking Trump's crap.I wish more Republicans were speaking up like him.

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The type of voter who is turning out for a Republican in an Alabama special election probably supports the Dred Scott ruling anyway.

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Here ya' go.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.122.4810&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Analysis: approximately half, or even a slight majority, of white Alabama voters in 2000 opposed a symbolic referendum on removing an anti-miscegenation clause from the state constitution.

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The type of voter who is turning out for a Republican in an Alabama special election probably supports the Dred Scott ruling anyway.

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Here ya' go.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.122.4810&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Analysis: approximately half, or even a slight majority, of white Alabama voters in 2000 opposed a symbolic referendum on removing an anti-miscegenation clause from the state constitution.

Based on national trends, that number has likely declined by 20 points or more since 2000.

Even that's a nationwide poll -- less than half of the country personally supported it miscegenation (regardless of legal approval) by 1995. Hard to overstate how rapidly the changing demographics of the country broke down the social conservative opinion in the last 20 years.

Yeah, but it probably isn't a universal shift, and true to form I suspect Alabama lags behind (like in everything else outside college football).

But still encouraging nonetheless.

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Horrible. He should withdraw and crawl into a hole. Hypocrite. Predator. Never a US Senator.

My respect for you just bounced tenfold. Thank you for having decency in an era so unacceptably bereft of it.

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When I get back home I’m going to teach you a history lesson,ALL of this stuff I’m posting will be facts I have learned from volunteering for the National park service as a costume history interpreter.

This is the best satire account ever

Want to know something I volunteer at fort Vancouver in Vancouver Washington and yes it’s a national park. In the 1820s-1860s the men who could read and write who were clerks they didn’t get married till they were 35-45 years old! They marrying young girls as young as 12! Roy Moore was not 40 dating 12-16 year olds he was dating 17-23 yearolds when he was 29-38. Moore has done nothing wrong yet!

STFU you pedophilia apologist.

No, seriously, this is the worst post in God knows how long. "Hey! They've been doing genital mutilation forever in some cultures, and did so back in the 1800's so it must be ok! Right?"

You ignorant, vicious, c$%t

DIAF quickly.

Back when the Mod Squad had a spine, such defense of pedophilia would've had you rightly bounced so fast your head would spin, but since now the head schmucks are complete flacid bitches, it's on ignore you go. 

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When I get back home I’m going to teach you a history lesson,ALL of this stuff I’m posting will be facts I have learned from volunteering for the National park service as a costume history interpreter.

This is the best satire account ever

Want to know something I volunteer at fort Vancouver in Vancouver Washington and yes it’s a national park. In the 1820s-1860s the men who could read and write who were clerks they didn’t get married till they were 35-45 years old! They marrying young girls as young as 12! Roy Moore was not 40 dating 12-16 year olds he was dating 17-23 yearolds when he was 29-38. Moore has done nothing wrong yet!

STFU you pedophilia apologist.

He’s not a pedophilia and I’m not an apologist if it comes out he raped anyone of any age I will unendorse him and like I said before apologizie to everyone on here.

F$%k you, you psychopathic defender of sexual abuse.

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Seriously: What is your standard for confirmation?  Be reasonable.  Pick the same standard you would use to disqualify a Democractic candidate.

Is it really asking so much to demand clear video footage in 1979 depicting Roy Moore turning to the camera and saying "I'm Roy Moore and this girl I'm molesting is fourteen!"?

Actually, Roy Moore is a very common name. Maybe she was wearing something revealing. Unless there are four male witnesses present and he says in the video "and that's beneath the current age of consent here in 1979" I think it's unreasonable to ask Greedo to ever question his views.

 

Welcome, and please post more often.

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Moore is finished.

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Jones deserves to win this election. He is such a good man. He's more christian than even Moore claims himself to be, yet Evangelicals rather a pedophile than a man with a D next to his name.

Does it not occur to you that they support someone who is rather transparently being subjected to a politically motivated witch hunt.

Consider the facts. In the Washington Post story it gave three accounts of Moore courting young women who were, according to Alabama law, of marriageable age. Perhaps you think that the age of consent in Alabama is too low (or more likely you think that young people should be sexually active for a number of years before getting married and starting a family). These stories describe Moore behaving in a highly proper and chaste manner, not only in public but also in private, always asking the mothers permission to court and not engaging in any premarital sex.

In the fourth story however the pattern of behaviour was totally different, abusive, secretive and unchaste. It could have sounded believable on its own but it completely failed to tally with the personality described in the other accounts.

Today's performance really seals it for me for this being BS. Another Oscar nominated Gloria Allred production. Today's Allred 'victim' came out with a statement that was not only describing yet another completely different MO but which read like bad fiction in a trashy novel. A well deserved Oscar nomination for all the over the top acting and fake crying but still pretty transparently fake.

U R scum. Rape apologism is ugly. DIAF. Go report to your bond officer.

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What needs to happen is that Luther Strange must immediately resign. A new senator would be appointed to fill his seat, and a new special election would be called. Unfortunately, it's too late to take Moore off the ballot at this point. Strange gives no indication that he'd do this, but it would be the right thing not only for the GOP but for America. If he doesn't, the best thing that can happen from a republican perspective is Moore winning then being forced to resign, which would also lead to another special election.

 you, that would be everything wrong with America's electoral system if we did that.

I don't like the system forcing people to make a last minute decision on whether or not they believe allegations about events from decades ago that conveniently only pop up right before the election (not like Moore hasn't been in the public eye for a long time). Had these come out before the primary, it would have been Brooks over Strange in the runoff or had they come between primary and runoff, Strange would have won.

Conveniently only pop up right before the election oh, i. E. You think it's all a fake liberal conspiracy.

It's official. You suck. Go away.

Go find a family member or friend who has been sexually assaulted and tell them how questionable their motives are. You probably will as long as they're Democrats.

Rape apologists are scum. Go look in the mirror