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« Reply #1025 on: September 17, 2018, 05:18:15 PM »


I guess the next one coming tommorrow will be even closer.
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« Reply #1026 on: September 17, 2018, 05:20:51 PM »


Cruz 50 - Beto 39 (5/23-5/29) rv
Cruz 47 - Beto 44 (4/12-4/17) rv

This will be the first likely voter poll from QP in this race. My guess is Cruz +1
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« Reply #1027 on: September 17, 2018, 05:51:53 PM »

F[inks] it, Beto by 1. 47-46
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« Reply #1028 on: September 17, 2018, 06:04:37 PM »

I'm gonna go with a tied race or Cruz up by 1-2 in the poll.
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« Reply #1029 on: September 17, 2018, 06:04:44 PM »

Yah, we might be pushing it but I think this will be the first poll that Beto leads.
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« Reply #1030 on: September 17, 2018, 06:12:07 PM »


Seconded. There's been a lot public hand-wringing from Cruz, Cornyn, Mulvaney to try and increase the cash flow into the race. That degree of concern has to be based on some data that's spooked them.

Beto +1 would fit the bill.
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« Reply #1031 on: September 17, 2018, 06:40:58 PM »


Haha no.
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« Reply #1032 on: September 17, 2018, 07:12:40 PM »

You guys are batsh**t crazy, sorry to say.

Poll probably shows Cruz up 3.

I see most races as tossups but TN & TX are fools gold
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« Reply #1033 on: September 17, 2018, 07:21:49 PM »

I think at this point a Ted Cruz-related scandal is needed for Beto to get a huge jump in the polls.
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« Reply #1034 on: September 17, 2018, 07:28:55 PM »

I decided to revise my prediction from Cruz +5 to a Cruz +2.

The reason for this is I checked on the Quinnipiac methodology, and they seem to use random digit dialing rather than calling off the voter file. That means that their poll may overstate Beto's support because it will be measuring Dem enthusiasm (which Beto does have a lot of), rather than actual support from people who will actually vote.

This is what happened with Quinnipiac's 2nd to last poll in VA-GOV, which greatly overstated Northam's lead at 17 points (although their final poll was much better).

So presuming they use this sort of likely voter model, there is a grave danger that they will similarly overstate Dem chances in Texas. It is even quite possible, if I have that correct, that they might actually find Beto with a lead.

In addition, a further problem with random digit dialing in Texas in particular is that if you don't verify that respondents are actually registered to vote, a significant number of people (who will skew Democratic) may incorrectly believe or state that they are registered to vote, due to Texas' low voter registration and participation rates. So then the poll ends up looking more like the TX population rather than actual voters, and there is a big difference between the population and voters.


I'm going to guess it will have Cruz +5.

EDIT --- revising my prediction to Cruz +2 because Quinnipiac uses random digit dialing ---

An important thing to watch is the undecideds. If it is close, it will probably have high undecideds.
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« Reply #1035 on: September 17, 2018, 07:33:32 PM »

Seconded. There's been a lot public hand-wringing from Cruz, Cornyn, Mulvaney to try and increase the cash flow into the race. That degree of concern has to be based on some data that's spooked them.

Beto +1 would fit the bill.

There's clearly some concern, but I think that at least some of it is strategic concern.

We know from other reports that there is a problem where Trump voters think that Democrats can't possibly win, which means that they may not think they need to bother to vote.

As a response to this, Republicans have been trying to say that Democrats actually could win, in order to try to persuade Republicans that they actually need to vote.

Of course, if Republicans don't vote, then Cruz *would* lose. So the GOP has good strategic reason to pretend that TX-SEN is more competitive than it actually is.
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« Reply #1036 on: September 17, 2018, 07:42:11 PM »

Seconded. There's been a lot public hand-wringing from Cruz, Cornyn, Mulvaney to try and increase the cash flow into the race. That degree of concern has to be based on some data that's spooked them.

Beto +1 would fit the bill.

There's clearly some concern, but I think that at least some of it is strategic concern.

We know from other reports that there is a problem where Trump voters think that Democrats can't possibly win, which means that they may not think they need to bother to vote.

As a response to this, Republicans have been trying to say that Democrats actually could win, in order to try to persuade Republicans that they actually need to vote.

Of course, if Republicans don't vote, then Cruz *would* lose. So the GOP has good strategic reason to pretend that TX-SEN is more competitive than it actually is.

Aye, like Tammy Baldwin repeatedly stating that she can and might lose. It's a classic tactic. I just think it's notable that it's happening in Texas of all places, and a sign that there's a real race here.
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« Reply #1037 on: September 17, 2018, 08:08:36 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2018, 08:48:30 PM by BaldEagle1991 »

Interesting comparison of the 2018 Texas Sen race to 2006 Virginia Sen race
 
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/406554-cruz-orourke-increasingly-looks-like-allen-webb

Sorry forgot the link earlier
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« Reply #1038 on: September 17, 2018, 08:25:10 PM »

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« Reply #1039 on: September 17, 2018, 08:49:50 PM »




Culberson up by 4?

I know this is not that topic, but I'm pissed. Lizzie should've done more to put her name out.
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« Reply #1040 on: September 17, 2018, 08:55:09 PM »

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« Reply #1041 on: September 17, 2018, 10:17:25 PM »



That feels comfortably above the benchmark a Democrat would need in TX-07 for a statewide win.
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« Reply #1042 on: September 17, 2018, 10:25:21 PM »

The end is near for lying Ted

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« Reply #1043 on: September 17, 2018, 11:39:33 PM »


OK, with odds like that I'd definitely buy Cruz's stock if I were into that sort of thing.
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« Reply #1044 on: September 18, 2018, 12:11:48 AM »

What would be a perfect county by county map of a winning formula for a Beto O’Rourke victory?
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« Reply #1045 on: September 18, 2018, 04:11:43 AM »




Culberson up by 4?

I know this is not that topic, but I'm pissed. Lizzie should've done more to put her name out.

It's tough for Fletcher, but the level of crossover voting this indicates for O'Rourke is energising.
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« Reply #1046 on: September 18, 2018, 04:39:24 AM »

Beto has Vered off into a more liberal direction as of late and he has gone no further than 3-6 pounts down. TX is fools gold for Dems, just like Nelson will win in FL.
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« Reply #1047 on: September 18, 2018, 05:30:42 AM »
« Edited: September 18, 2018, 05:34:54 AM by Interlocutor »

Not sure why, but it's amusing to me that its mid-September and there's still reassurances like "The Texas Republican will pull off his re-election".


What a weird year 2018 has been.
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« Reply #1048 on: September 18, 2018, 05:37:47 AM »

So is anything coming out of that mailers disguised as summons thing?
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« Reply #1049 on: September 18, 2018, 06:17:03 AM »




Culberson up by 4?

I know this is not that topic, but I'm pissed. Lizzie should've done more to put her name out.

It's tough for Fletcher, but the level of crossover voting this indicates for O'Rourke is energising.

Well a good update is that the poll got much closer, but if Beto does well in that sort it it’ll no doubt help Fletcher.
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