The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[Ebsy]

What the House passed was written so as to only consist of stuff that would be considered "budgetary" in nature.

Okay. Thanks.

So in theory the GOP could unilaterally repeal the ACA with 51 votes?

r/WellThatSucks

Well, that depends on what the Senate parliamentarian decides in regards to the Byrd rule.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

They're not even trying to hide it, on Occupy Democrats Logic they're gleeful that people wouldn't be able to afford insurance with this bill. The government providing any type of health insurance to them is "slavery". Jokes on most of them if it passes and all the pills they need to pop to stay alive won't be covered. Also note how erective dysfunction is not one of the pre-existing conditions.

Meh, Occupy Democrats Logic is about as relevant as the 10 random people who comment on some congressperson's post with "You just lost my vote over ___________!", who in 95 cases out of 100, either aren't voting in the first place, don't live in the right district, or were always going to vote against the congressperson. No Republican looks at Occupy Democrats Logic when deciding how to do anything.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

They're not even trying to hide it, on Occupy Democrats Logic they're gleeful that people wouldn't be able to afford insurance with this bill. The government providing any type of health insurance to them is "slavery". Jokes on most of them if it passes and all the pills they need to pop to stay alive won't be covered. Also note how erective dysfunction is not one of the pre-existing conditions.

Meh, Occupy Democrats Logic is about as relevant as the 10 random people who comment on some congressperson's post with "You just lost my vote over ___________!", who in 95 cases out of 100, either aren't voting in the first place, don't live in the right district, or were always going to vote against the congressperson. No Republican looks at Occupy Democrats Logic when deciding how to do anything.

The great thing about social networking sites, and especially boards like /pol/, is that the feeling of anonymity gives users the confidence to post whatever they like without fear of ostracization.  They are relevant because they give people insight into what others are thinking, but likely won't say in public.

[mvd10]

What the House passed was written so as to only consist of stuff that would be considered "budgetary" in nature.

Okay. Thanks.

So in theory the GOP could unilaterally repeal the ACA with 51 votes?

r/WellThatSucks

Well, that depends on what the Senate parliamentarian decides in regards to the Byrd rule.

The presiding officer of the Senate (Pence) can just overrule the parliamentarian if he wants to. I don't think he is going to do that (for the same reason most Republicans don't want to nuke the filibuster) but it's always possible.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Sign of potency of Kimmel monologue: GOP Sen. Cassidy said legislation needs to pass the "Jimmy Kimmel test for him to support it" on CNN.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/860485062172827648

[Brittain33]

What the House passed was written so as to only consist of stuff that would be considered "budgetary" in nature.

That would require a broad interpretation similar to the broad interpretation of the "interstate commerce clause" that has not historically been applied in reconciliation rules. If allowing states to get waivers to exempt insurers from offering minimum defined benefits is grounds for reconciliation because there is some connection with government spending somewhere, then you can ban gay marriage, legalize marijuana, and rename a post office for Satan under reconciliation laws and the filibuster is a dead letter.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Welp we have our first state considering the opt out of covering pre-existing conditions good old sociopath Scott Walker https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickdmarley/status/860503977242316802

[publicunofficial]

Before SS and Medicare, the percentage of elderly people in poverty was astronomical. If your adult kids couldn't afford to support you, you were up a creek. Living with adult children stopped being a realistic approach when we transitioned away from an agrarian society.

People weren't living healthy, independent lives before the New Deal. They were dying poor, broke, sick and alone.

That is all true but we've changed radically since the 1930s. People are living longer, our living standards have gone up (some would argue that's because of the New Deal but I don't know I agree), and there's abundant new technology to allow our seniors to live better lives.

So, why can't we shift to a system where we allow people to save more for retirement and bring a decent market based healthcare system to help deal with senior health issues?

At the very least Social Security and Medicare should go back to being for the aged and truly disabled, rather than the expansive government programs they are. Essentially we already have a single payer program named Medicare and Medicaid in this country.

People don't want market based solutions. They don't want to be given a 401k. They want to be able to get cancer and not worry about paying for chemo.

[All Along The Watchtower]

So who out of these five Republican Senators is least likely to vote for this bill?

1. Alexander
2. Collins
3. Murkowski
4. Portman
5. Heller

[ApatheticAustrian]

WI Gov. @ScottWalker says he would consider opting out of pre-existing conditions policy in Obamacare, depending on terms in final GOP deal.
https://twitter.com/patrickdmarley/status/860503977242316802

[All Along The Watchtower]

WI Gov. @ScottWalker says he would consider opting out of pre-existing conditions policy in Obamacare, depending on terms in final GOP deal.
https://twitter.com/patrickdmarley/status/860503977242316802

Scott Walker continuing to be a ghoul.

[Suburbia]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

[GeorgiaModerate]

So who out of these five Republican Senators is least likely to vote for this bill?

1. Alexander
2. Collins
3. Murkowski
4. Portman
5. Heller

Least to most likely:

1. Murkowski
2. Collins
3. Portman
4. Heller
5. Alexander

[Hindsight was 2020]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

Oh f**k off with that. Obamacare based heavily off of Bob Dole's 96 plan

[Wiz in Wis]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

Oh f**k off with that. Obamacare based heavily off of Bob Dole's 96 plan

It's essentially RomneyCare nationalized. It WAS a market solution, but the GOP didn't like that they couldn't take credit for it, so they freaked out.

[Technocracy Timmy]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

Both sides do it. Both sides do it. Both sides do it. Both sides do it.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

First of all, there is toxic partisanship on both sides of the spectrum. Neither party is working for America. Obama never asked for help on Obamacare, nor Trump with Trumpcare with the opposition parties. Obamacare should remain, but you will probably see a government run health care system soon. This new bill doesn't make sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

[Brittain33]

Democratic senators spent months working with Republican senators with Obama's blessing on health care before the Republicans walked out.

[EnglishPete]

Sign of potency of Kimmel monologue: GOP Sen. Cassidy said legislation needs to pass the "Jimmy Kimmel test for him to support it" on CNN.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/860485062172827648

Very sensible. If this passes in its current form (or indeed in any form) and deaths start to occur particularly the deaths of children, that can be attributed to changes brought in by the legislation then Senators should know that they will be held personally responsible for those deaths. Expect sick children to be brought to town halls, heartrending stories with photogenic sick children to be plastered across the media.

Charles Krauthammer is right. Obama has universalised the idea of universal healthcare. Republican legislators may want to reestablish the notion that its not the government's responsibility and that if someone dies because they can't afford or get insurance then individual Senators can't be held accountable but that ship has sailed.

Whilst I agree with much of what Trump is doing, on immigration, on defense, on trade on education etc I think in this area he's wrong. In Europe there a rise in Nationalist right wing populist parties that support universal healthcare. This would not only include parties like the Front National in France and Sweden Democrats in Sweden, it also includes parties in government like Fidesz in HungaryPartythe Law and Justice party in Poland. I'm also pleased to note that after the referendum and the departure of the wretched David Cameron that the UK Conservative Party is moving rapidly in that direction in its rhetoric and, let's hope, its policies.

If the US Republican Party was being smart they would move sharply in that same direction. A right wing populist nationalist Republican party that supported universal healthcare would do very well electorally.

[KingSweden]

Though his reasoning is different from mine, EP is onto something. Employer sponsored care is basically a tax on companies that also comes with administrative bureaucracy. Single payer would be a tax which removes the need for companies to sweat how good their "benefits" are and I beliebe would usher in a wave of entrepreneurship as people stop sweating losing coverage.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Though his reasoning is different from mine, EP is onto something. Employer sponsored care is basically a tax on companies that also comes with administrative bureaucracy. Single payer would be a tax which removes the need for companies to sweat how good their "benefits" are and I beliebe would usher in a wave of entrepreneurship as people stop sweating losing coverage.

And that is part of the reason we won't get it. Sure, having a corporate health plan costs the big players. But it more than pays for itself as a barrier to entry that prevents them from facing competition.

[EnglishPete]

Though his reasoning is different from mine, EP is onto something. Employer sponsored care is basically a tax on companies that also comes with administrative bureaucracy. Single payer would be a tax which removes the need for companies to sweat how good their "benefits" are and I beliebe would usher in a wave of entrepreneurship as people stop sweating losing coverage.

And that is part of the reason we won't get it. Sure, having a corporate health plan costs the big players. But it more than pays for itself as a barrier to entry that prevents them from facing competition.

Absolutely correct and just one of the ways in which the present US healthcare system is a corporatist racket, US conservatives would be better off if they accepted this point.

[The_Doctor]

American conservatism isn't ready to accept that sort of role on healthcare. Even the most right wing European plans (which I like) are heavily disfavored. It's because the American right is still operating on the Libertarian - Evangelical pro business axis begun in the 1980s under Reagan. It's hard for a lot on the right to deal with healthcare in a comprehensive fashion as a result since it goes deeply against their instincts.

Barring a realignment the reality is the ACA is as far right the GOP will tolerate. It isn't a sustainable position on the Right but its the reality.

[publicunofficial]

It's this steadfast refusal to admit that maybe there's this ONE thing that privatization and the free market isn't a remedy for. That's what so frustrating about the Republicans view on healthcare.

[Devout Centrist]

https://youtu.be/NQYCT2HEfhQ?t=869

A true luminary in the Republican Party