NPAT Test: Abortion

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Given how the fetuses are not people yet it doesn't count as murder. Try again.

A fetus IS a life - and I want a murderer to be charged w/ 2 murders if he kills a pregnant woman.

Sorry, wrong.

And what do you base your opinion on?

[Friz]

Given how the fetuses are not people yet it doesn't count as murder. Try again.

A fetus IS a life - and I want a murderer to be charged w/ 2 murders if he kills a pregnant woman.

Sorry, wrong.

And what do you base your opinion on?

Not buying into Catholic propaganda.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Given how the fetuses are not people yet it doesn't count as murder. Try again.

A fetus IS a life - and I want a murderer to be charged w/ 2 murders if he kills a pregnant woman.

Sorry, wrong.

And what do you base your opinion on?

Not buying into Catholic propaganda.

I'm not Catholic, and I never was - so answer the questions and actually have a real Political Debate or shut up - because then it's trolling.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Given how you support bans on abortion does this mean you also support state funded childcare, healthcare for the mothers, a good educational system and other things to help out parents? Or are you hypocritical and just want PERFECT MORALITY without taking into account the social costs of banned abortion?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Given how you support bans on abortion does this mean you also support state funded childcare, healthcare for the mothers, a good educational system and other things to help out parents? Or are you hypocritical and just want PERFECT MORALITY without taking into account the social costs of banned abortion?

If a person can't handle a baby - DON'T HAVE SEX - or give it up for adoption - what would the baby want? to be adopted? or be stabbed in the head with a pair of forceps.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Given how you support bans on abortion does this mean you also support state funded childcare, healthcare for the mothers, a good educational system and other things to help out parents? Or are you hypocritical and just want PERFECT MORALITY without taking into account the social costs of banned abortion?

If a person can't handle a baby - DON'T HAVE SEX - or give it up for adoption - what would the baby want? to be adopted? or be stabbed in the head with a pair of forceps.

So you just proved that you support PERFECT MORALITY without any thought of the social costs of banning abortion. Banning abortion and doing nothing to factor in the social costs would cause MASSIVE problems for America. I figured you had this viewpoint but just wanted to be sure.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Given how you support bans on abortion does this mean you also support state funded childcare, healthcare for the mothers, a good educational system and other things to help out parents? Or are you hypocritical and just want PERFECT MORALITY without taking into account the social costs of banned abortion?

If a person can't handle a baby - DON'T HAVE SEX - or give it up for adoption - what would the baby want? to be adopted? or be stabbed in the head with a pair of forceps.

So you just proved that you support PERFECT MORALITY without any thought of the social costs of banning abortion. Banning abortion and doing nothing to factor in the social costs would cause MASSIVE problems for America. I figured you had this viewpoint but just wanted to be sure.

Why should the government pay for the promiscuity of people?  Where is that a right of citizenship?  Remember - it's not "if it's not forbidden in the Consitution, then the gov't owes it to us" - rights have to be stated - they don't come automatically.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

It's not stated in the constitution that the government has the authority to ban abortion. Actually the first amendment which separates church and state plus either  the 9th or 10th amendment(I know that one of those 2 amendments states that all rights not given to the feds/states in the constitution belong to the people) combine to kill any bans on abortion.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It's not stated in the constitution that the government has the authority to ban abortion. Actually the first amendment which separates church and state plus either  the 9th or 10th amendment(I know that one of those 2 amendments states that all rights not given to the feds/states in the constitution belong to the people) combine to kill any bans on abortion.

It guarantees life to all citizens - and separation of church and state is misinterpreted from Jefferson's quote OUTSIDE the constitution - but I'm leaving to drive home for the weekend, so I'll be off until about 10:30 tonight.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Fetuses aren't citizens, Inks.

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If a person can't handle a baby - DON'T HAVE SEX

1. What if the woman is raped?
2. What if the baby has anencephaly?

what would the baby want? to be adopted? or be stabbed in the head with a pair of forceps.

I'm not sure; when you ask a fetus, you don't get much of a response.

[Friz]

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Or just use a condom.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

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Or just use a condom.

A good point.

[Ebowed]

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Or just use a condom.

True, but they can break.

55% of women who get abortions were using protection.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

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Or just use a condom.

True, but they can break.

55% of women who get abortions were using protection.

Which is why we should keep abortion legal and make the pill over the counter.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Fetuses aren't citizens, Inks.

They are - they are alive and therefore have American citizenship - or at least they SHOULD.

If a person can't handle a baby - DON'T HAVE SEX

1. What if the woman is raped?

Why kill the baby?  It's not his/her fault.

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There are many false diagnoses for anencephaly, as it is not a common diagnosis - wikipedia.

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I'm not sure; when you ask a fetus, you don't get much of a response.
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You know what I mean - if the baby could tell you - it'd tell you that it'd rather be adopted.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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Or just use a condom.

True, but they can break.

55% of women who get abortions were using protection.

Which is why we should keep abortion legal and make the pill over the counter.

Or just don't have sex - we even had somebody say that at college - a motivational speaker said, just don't do it until you're ready for the responsibility.  But if you do, use a condom.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The fetus is not the same as a baby and anyone who argues that automatically loses the debate and is a troll.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The fetus is not the same as a baby and anyone who argues that automatically loses the debate and is a troll.

Then give me your definition of "baby."

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The fetus is not the same as a baby and anyone who argues that automatically loses the debate and is a troll.

Then give me your definition of "baby."

Ok. The baby can survive outside of the mom's body without medical aid. A fetus can't. I win.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The fetus is not the same as a baby and anyone who argues that automatically loses the debate and is a troll.

Then give me your definition of "baby."

Ok. The baby can survive outside of the mom's body without medical aid. A fetus can't. I win.

That's not a definition - unless you're defining "baby" as being able to survive outside the mother's body - in which case - it can before birth, if taken out by some other means.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

If it's taken out by other means it requires medical assistence to survive so my point still stands.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

If it's taken out by other means it requires medical assistence to survive so my point still stands.

Well, of course you have to take it out - b/c if you leave it in their either the woman has VERY bad problems, or she gives birth - so, it has to come out somehow.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Why not just accept that it's not a person until birth and generally concede? Also remember that since its poors doing it A) you'd need to pay less in taxes for welfare and B) Crime went down alot about 18-20 after Roe V. Wade. A true conservative would support state funded abortion and promoting it among poor people in the interests of fiscal conservatism and supporting law and order.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Why not just accept that it's not a person until birth and generally concede? Also remember that since its poors doing it A) you'd need to pay less in taxes for welfare and B) Crime went down alot about 18-20 after Roe V. Wade. A true conservative would support state funded abortion and promoting it among poor people in the interests of fiscal conservatism and supporting law and order.

Well, my number 1 priority is social conservativism, not fiscal.