Israel-Gaza war

[GoTfan]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Excessive Hyperbole. Again.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Excessive Hyperbole. Again.

It is not. It is well documented that Hamas had hoped to encourage Hezbollah and the West Bank to pull off the same incursions, penetrating all the way to Tel Aviv. As for the latter, it is going on continuously.

[Velasco]

"This looks like the work of death squads high on drugs on a long orgy of death (...)"

Certainly this episode of the Gaza Genocide will be included in the annals of infamy

https://twitter.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1775055134168428692?t=5PhiQSS2s0zF_zv5P2...

[MyLifeIsYours]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Israel ignored any intelligence about the incoming attack on 10/7, and the immediate response showed the path in which they dehumanized the people of Gaza. You know the war was going to be a s**show when Netanyahu cut off all water and utility to Gazians, the vast majority of whom have no connection to Hamas, as well being children or women. That was the beginning of when I knew that we where going to see potential war crimes going to be leverage by Israel. 6 months later, we see a genocide that has killed over 32,000 civilians and a famine crisis that is going to hit the region, due to the inhumane actions by western nations by signing legislation to allow cutting off funding for UNRWA. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

[jaichind]

https://time.com/6962557/china-us-asean-southeast-asia-rivalry-survey/

"Is Southeast Asia Leaning More Toward China? New Survey Shows Mixed Results"

A clear swing in SE Asia opinion toward PRC and away from USA.  This is mostly about the Muslim states.  The reason is clear: Israel-Hamas War

[Devils30]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Israel ignored any intelligence about the incoming attack on 10/7, and the immediate response showed the path in which they dehumanized the people of Gaza. You know the war was going to be a s**show when Netanyahu cut off all water and utility to Gazians, the vast majority of whom have no connection to Hamas, as well being children or women. That was the beginning of when I knew that we where going to see potential war crimes going to be leverage by Israel. 6 months later, we see a genocide that has killed over 32,000 civilians and a famine crisis that is going to hit the region, due to the inhumane actions by western nations by signing legislation to allow cutting off funding for UNRWA. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

And at least 40% if not 1/2 of those “civilians” were actually Hamas fighters. So sorry if you guys won’t be able to impose your totalitarian leftist worldview on society.

[Beet]

Netanyahu fell into Hamas's trap so bad. Israel has managed to turn a massacre of its own people into a global political defeat. Biden should have pushed hard for a permanent cease-fire months ago and all of this could have been prevented. Basically, what I've been saying for months, and what the cease-fire movement/protesters been saying all along. But we've been demonized as far left, unrealistic, and worse. Right now the Biden-Israel axis are just digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. They don't want to stop digging because that would force them to recognize how deep they are. But they should think about cutting their losses.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Excessive Hyperbole. Again.

You seem to be forgetting your sides line is that you ‘don’t support Hamas,’ you’re letting the mask slip a bit here

There are certainly some Hamas supporters here, but I'm pretty sure he's not one of them.

[GoTfan]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

Excessive Hyperbole. Again.

You seem to be forgetting your sides line is that you ‘don’t support Hamas,’ you’re letting the mask slip a bit here

There are certainly some Hamas supporters here, but I'm pretty sure he's not one of them.

No, I most certainly am not, so I would appreciate people not trying to characterise me as one, thank you very much.

[First1There]

Why are so many of the posts here from social media accounts? They are like the anti-reliable sources.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Why are so many of the posts here from social media accounts? They are like the anti-reliable sources.

Disinfo is absolutely key to the anti-Israel side of this war, so it's no surprise.

[AtorBoltox]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

[AtorBoltox]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

'Rajapaska has lost the war regardless of what happens to the Tamil Tigers.'
'Assad has lost the war regardless of whatever happens to the FSA.'
Before some dumbass replies with 'so you're saying Israel is morally equivalent to Assad', I am not. Just pointing out these attempts to claim a 'moral victory' are only ever made by the party that's clearly lost.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

5 aid workers have been killed by an Israeli air strike. Among them are are Australian, Polish, UK and Irish nationals

Pretty sure World Central Kitchen was providing meals to the group I volunteered with in Turkey. A guy I worked alongside was apparently tight with the founder owing to their backgound in food services. Strangely personal for something that has little to do with me.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

The original sin of Israel. The same goes for my nation of America with how the European colonizers wiped the indignious people, or how Austraila banished the aboriginals to a marginal group today.

Once again, the Israelis are indigenous people of the Middle East and they will never be displaced again.

[Devils30]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

The original sin of Israel. The same goes for my nation of America with how the European colonizers wiped the indignious people, or how Austraila banished the aboriginals to a marginal group today.

Once again, the Israelis are indigenous people of the Middle East and they will never be displaced again.

You see these posts and you realize how badly social media and academia have brainwashed some young people. The Dems are going to potentially have a big problem with their base in a decade.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

The original sin of Israel. The same goes for my nation of America with how the European colonizers wiped the indignious people, or how Austraila banished the aboriginals to a marginal group today.

Once again, the Israelis are indigenous people of the Middle East and they will never be displaced again.

Based off DNA, Jews don't have some sort of unique claim to the southern Levant.

[Hollywood]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

The original sin of Israel. The same goes for my nation of America with how the European colonizers wiped the indignious people, or how Austraila banished the aboriginals to a marginal group today.

Not really the same.  The Jews were wiped from Judea by the Romans and other local tribes.  The remainder were exiled from the land, and the Romans renamed the land Palestine to ethnically cleanse the land.  The land has been invaded many times over the past 2000 years.  The people calling themselves Palestinians are Arabic. 

The original sin is Palestine.  A moniker synonymous with genocide. 

[GoTfan]

Jesus Christ people, can we retain some sort of morality? Neither Israel nor Palestine commits a sin by just existing.  The minute you start talking like that, it becomes very easy to dehumanise them and cast them as the irredeemably evil 'other'.

Also, trying to boil this down to who's DNA is the strongest in the region somehow manages to be both anti-Semitic and anti-Palestinian at the same time. That should not be possible, but alas, that's where we stand.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

5 aid workers have been killed by an Israeli air strike. Among them are are Australian, Polish, UK and Irish nationals

It’s up to seven now.

"I am heartbroken and appalled that we - World Central Kitchen and the world - lost beautiful lives today because of a targeted attack by the IDF," the charity's CEO Erin Gore said in a statement.

"The love they had for feeding people, the determination they embodied to show that humanity rises above all, and the impact they made in countless lives will forever be remembered and cherished".

Ms Gore said WCK was pausing its operations immediately in the region.

President Biden was described as “outraged” following the attack on the WCK convoy. In the same article, PM Sunak “described the situation in Gaza as ‘increasingly intolerable.’” Other world leaders also expressed their dismay.

IMO, this attack crossed a line. I think I’ve only made one or two posts here before yesterday, but enough is enough. Israel might’ve had the high ground for a few days after 10/7, but they’ve not only squandered it, but they’ve taken the high ground and stomped it into a pile of dust.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

If Russia had struck a convoy of aid workers who’d been trying to coordinate with the Russian government in Kherson, people would be calling for the US to send troops.

[AtorBoltox]

If Russia had struck a convoy of aid workers who’d been trying to coordinate with the Russian government in Kherson, people would be calling for the US to send troops.

https://ukraine.un.org/en/259512-relentless-violence-against-aid-workers-must-stop
Please stop lying

[Meclazine for Israel]

Last week, F-35's, this week, President Joe Biden sends more bombs to Israel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-03/drt-us-weapons-to-israel/103653536

US Forces give the nod.


Israel says Hamas is responsible for civilian deaths because it operates in dense residential areas.(AP)

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1775143650063790563

As one xitter sage put it, they accidentally struck the first aid vehicle, then accidentally struck the second aid vehicle, then they accidentally struck the rescue vehicle to finish off the survivors. This had the "unintended" outcome of forcing international aid organizations, the ones that were supposed to replace UNRWA to leave Gaza, coincidentally achieving their goal of starving Gaza. Netanyahu "apologized" with a barely disguised grin and Israelis celebrated the deaths of those who would dare to feed their enemies

https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1775166616143094071

Might be an aid truck too far though, because this time they made the mistake of blowing up a bunch of Westerners instead of Palestinians. Not just any Westerners, though; World Central Kitchen is intimately tied to Washington DC and its leadership is full of people with personal connections to decision making ghouls right up to and including Joe Biden. So for once, the victims won't be Shireen Abu Akleh'd or Rachel Corrie'd but are being treated as actual victims and Western media outlets have suddenly realized the absurdity of trusting Israel to investigate itself. The founder was basically 100% pro-Israel from the start (though he sure isn't anymore!) so the tired excuses used to justify destroying UNRWA won't fly. Whether this will actually translate into political action before Israel is able to provoke a regional war with Iran remains to be seen

In other news, "‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza":

The IDF said it “completely rejects” allegations that its snipers deliberately fire on civilians. It said it cannot address individual shootings “without coordinates of the incidents”.

“The IDF only targets terrorists and military targets. In stark contrast to Hamas’s deliberate attacks on Israeli civilians, including men, women and children, the IDF follows international law and takes feasible precautions to mitigate civilian harm,” it said.

Doctors say otherwise.

Dr Vanita Gupta, an intensive care doctor at a New York City hospital, volunteered at Gaza’s European hospital in January. One morning, three badly wounded children arrived in quick succession. Their families told Gupta that the children had been together in the street when they came under fire and that there had been no other shooting in the area. She said no wounded adults were brought in to the hospital at the same time and from the same place.

“One child, I could see there was a shot to the head. They were doing CPR on this five- or six-year-old girl who obviously died,” said Gupta.

“There was another little girl about the same age. I saw a bullet entry wound on her head. Her father was there, crying and asking me, ‘Can you save her? She’s my only child.’”

Gupta said that a third young child also had a shot to the head and was sent for a CT scan.

“The neurosurgeon looked and said, ‘There’s no hope.’ You could see the bullet had gone through the head. I don’t know how old he was, but young,” she said.

Family members told Gupta that the Israeli army had withdrawn from the area about four kilometres from the hospital.

“They said people started returning to their homes because the army was gone. But the snipers stayed on. The families said they opened fire at the children,” she said.

Doctors who worked at the Nasser hospital in southern Gaza said what appeared to be targeted Israeli fire killed more than two dozen people, including children, as they entered or left the hospital in the first weeks of this year.

Among the casualties was 14-year-old Ruwa Qdeih. Doctors say she was shot dead outside the hospital in Khan Younis as she went to collect water. They said there was no fighting in the area at the time and that she was killed by a single shot and then men who went to recover her body were also shot at.

In Gaza City, three-year-old Emad Abu al-Qura was shot outside his home as he went to buy fruit with his cousin, Hadeel, a 20-year-old medical student, who was also killed. The family said they were targeted by an Israeli sniper.

A video of the pair lying together in the street shows Emad still alive after he is first hit and trying to lift his head. More shots hit the ground close by including one that strikes a plank next to Emad. The boy’s mother said he was then hit again and this time killed.

Hadeel’s father, Haroon, saw the shooting.

“The targeting of civilians is very clear. It is a deliberate direct targeting aimed at killing civilians without reason, without there being any events, without there being any resistance. They deliberately killed Hadeel and Emad,” he told Al Jazeera.

Other young victims include 14-year-old Nahedh Barbakh, who was hit by sniper fire alongside his 20-year-old brother, Ramez, as they followed Israeli military orders to evacuate an area west of Khan Younis in late January, according to the Geneva-based Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor.

According to a witness interviewed by Euro-Med Monitor, Nahedh was carrying a white flag to lead the way for his family, but after walking just a few steps from the house he was hit in the leg by a bullet. As the teenager attempted to turn back home he was shot in the back and head, the witness said.

Ramez was shot through the heart when he tried to rescue his brother.

The family decided it was too dangerous to recover the bodies and eventually fled the area, leaving the brothers still lying in the street. A last photograph shows Ramez stretched across Nahedh’s body with the white flag tangled between them.

Witnesses said the shots came from the rooftop of a nearby building taken over by Israeli soldiers.

https://time.com/6962557/china-us-asean-southeast-asia-rivalry-survey/

"Is Southeast Asia Leaning More Toward China? New Survey Shows Mixed Results"

A clear swing in SE Asia opinion toward PRC and away from USA.  This is mostly about the Muslim states.  The reason is clear: Israel-Hamas War

It's pretty underreported in the media but this war is just a total catastrophe for American influence. Jordan was about the most pro-American Arab country there is (excluding a few tiny Gulf states) and now they're out on the streets calling for blood. The Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood has been angling to take advantage while the UAE and Saudis were sufficiently spooked to issue a declaration of their full support for King Abdullah. Iraqi Kataib Hezbollah even threatened to send 12,000 militiamen to Jordan and Israeli papers are starting to take the risk of a Jordanian crisis seriously, though it's still unclear how serious KH is and whether the Iranians actually want chaos in Jordan.

https://twitter.com/misra_amaresh/status/1775390863419711698

At the same time, attempts by the Palestinian Authority to crack down on armed groups in Tulkarem backfired and has resulted in outright combat between the two, combat that the PA seems to have gotten the worst of

https://twitter.com/warfareanalysis/status/1775219076077584518

to make it worse, the only anti-PA force to take casualties was the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, nominally part of the same Fatah movement that the PA is a part of. If even the AAMB are fighting the PA then their political legitimacy in the West Bank is basically nonexistent.

Some Israelis seem to think the PA and Heshemites are actually their enemies, but both are actually silent allies of Israel who release pressure from the Palestinians and Jordanians through tough rhetoric while quietly suppressing more radical forces. Netanyahu's repeated humiliations of these regimes trying to get even the most basic concessions might make Israeli voters think he's tough and doesn't bow to Arabs but they also destroy the illusion that the collaborationists are anything other than puppets. If they think King Abdullah or Abbas are enemies of Israel then they'll discover what a real enemy can do when they're replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

[CumbrianLefty]

Netanyahu fell into Hamas's trap so bad. Israel has managed to turn a massacre of its own people into a global political defeat. Biden should have pushed hard for a permanent cease-fire months ago and all of this could have been prevented. Basically, what I've been saying for months, and what the cease-fire movement/protesters been saying all along. But we've been demonized as far left, unrealistic, and worse. Right now the Biden-Israel axis are just digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. They don't want to stop digging because that would force them to recognize how deep they are. But they should think about cutting their losses.

All the signs are that the US are now at least tentatively trying to do that.

Netanyahu, however, sees endless war as the key to staying in power - and out of jail - indefinitely. He has the full backing of the "ItS in ThE bIbLe!!??!!!?!!!111!!!" Trumpian ghouls there as well.