Gubernatorial Amendment (Amendment at Vote)

[DownWithTheLeft]

Abstain

[HappyWarrior]

Aye

[Torie]

Nay, it should be the vote of the majority of the regions. It should not turn on how many are sitting.

[Torie]

I'm not sure -

Exclusive of any law or regulation governing the rules for the proceedings of the Senate, over which the Senate shall have exclusive jurisdiction, for any Bill or Resolution to become law, it shall first be passed by the Senate in accordance with existing law

This is the Constitution we're amending here - this is, in fact the base text you're referring to with the phrase "existing law". Besides, I'm not even sure if this were to mean before Presidential signature or after. (The later part of your amendment implies before, but it's not clear from the language used here.) Besides, my version has the Governors acting at the same time as the President, thus not slowing up the process (in theory. In practice, of course, it would still do so as Presidents frequently sign quite early within their week. Then again, Governors might also declare their approval quite quickly if notified.) I'm also not happy with the PPT being *required* to notify Governors enshrined in the Constitutional text. I've been notifying presidents by pm since I took office, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't always been the case - the phrase with which I closed votes in the thread ("it is presented to the President for his signature or veto") has always been considered sufficient.
Plus, the language I'm using is trying to stick to traditional Atlasian constitutional language.

As soon as the senate passes something, it goes to the council of governors. If they don't veto it, the president can sign the bill or not. I don't see what in my language slows down what the president is doing.

[minionofmidas]

I'm not sure -

Exclusive of any law or regulation governing the rules for the proceedings of the Senate, over which the Senate shall have exclusive jurisdiction, for any Bill or Resolution to become law, it shall first be passed by the Senate in accordance with existing law

This is the Constitution we're amending here - this is, in fact the base text you're referring to with the phrase "existing law". Besides, I'm not even sure if this were to mean before Presidential signature or after. (The later part of your amendment implies before, but it's not clear from the language used here.) Besides, my version has the Governors acting at the same time as the President, thus not slowing up the process (in theory. In practice, of course, it would still do so as Presidents frequently sign quite early within their week. Then again, Governors might also declare their approval quite quickly if notified.) I'm also not happy with the PPT being *required* to notify Governors enshrined in the Constitutional text. I've been notifying presidents by pm since I took office, but I'm pretty sure that hasn't always been the case - the phrase with which I closed votes in the thread ("it is presented to the President for his signature or veto") has always been considered sufficient.
Plus, the language I'm using is trying to stick to traditional Atlasian constitutional language.

As soon as the senate passes something, it goes to the council of governors. If they don't veto it, the president can sign the bill or not. I don't see what in my language slows down what the president is doing.

He has to wait for the council of governors in your version. In my version, he can sign while the Governors are still voting - if they end up vetoing it, his signature is simply irrelevant.


On the amendment: Nay.

Vote count:

Aye 3 (PiT, Jas, Happy)
Nay 2 (Torie, Lewis)
abstain (voted) 1 (Dwtl)
yet to vote 3 (Al, Andrew, Sensei)
absent 1 (Bacon)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

nay

[Bacon King]

nay

[minionofmidas]

Vote count:

Aye 3 (PiT, Jas, Happy)
Nay 4 (Torie, Lewis, Al, Bacon)
abstain (voted) 1 (Dwtl)
yet to vote 2 (Andrew, Sensei)

[AndrewTX]

nay

[minionofmidas]

This amendment has failed.

The vote is on the amendment. Please vote aye, nay or abstain:

I propose amending Lewis' language as follows:

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Nay.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Nay.

Nay, it should be the vote of the majority of the regions. It should not turn on how many are sitting.

     If a region has no sitting Governor, could there be a reasonable method instituted by which to choose a temporary representative on the Council? I was thinking head of judiciary, except the Pacific & Midwest have none. Perhaps each region should have one citizen apply to be an "official federal stand-in."

[Хahar 🤔]

     Nay.

Nay, it should be the vote of the majority of the regions. It should not turn on how many are sitting.

     If a region has no sitting Governor, could there be a reasonable method instituted by which to choose a temporary representative on the Council? I was thinking head of judiciary, except the Pacific & Midwest have none. Perhaps each region should have one citizen apply to be an "official federal stand-in."

That's very rare.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Nay.

Nay, it should be the vote of the majority of the regions. It should not turn on how many are sitting.

     If a region has no sitting Governor, could there be a reasonable method instituted by which to choose a temporary representative on the Council? I was thinking head of judiciary, except the Pacific & Midwest have none. Perhaps each region should have one citizen apply to be an "official federal stand-in."

That's very rare.

     It's rare, but if addressing the grievance can get the quorum amendment passed, then I might as well address it.

[Sensei]

no

[minionofmidas]

Vote count:

Aye 0
Nay 3 (Lewis, PiT, Sensei)
yet to vote 7 (everybody)

[Bacon King]

nay

[DownWithTheLeft]

Not really decided but in the interest of time...

Nay

[AndrewTX]

nay

[HappyWarrior]

Nay

[minionofmidas]

The amendment has failed.

Vote count
Aye 0
Nay 7 (everybody)
did not vote 3 (Torie, Al, Jas)

[Torie]

Man, I got a goose egg! 

Look, having a quorum based on the number of regions will encourage the regions to have active sitting governors, rather than lumps. If they are lumps, then the governors won't be slowing the Senate down. Three votes to veto should be required at all times if we have five regions.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     All Governors are automatically part of this, so three votes to veto would be required at all times, unless there are two or more vacancies at once. Perhaps we should set a strictly enforced limit on the time they can take to prevent slowdowns?

[Јas]

"For any Bill or Resolution to pass the Senate, it shall have gained a majority in a valid vote. Before the Bill or Resolution becomes Law, it shall be presented to the Council of Governors and then to the President of the Republic of Atlasia, unless it be concerning the rules for the proceedings of the Senate. If both approve, the President shall sign it, and it shall become Law. If the President does not approve, he shall return the Bill with his objections to the Senate, and it shall not become Law. If the Council of Governors does not approve, they shall return the Bill with their objections to the Senate, and it shall not become Law. Upon reconsidering the Bill, if the Senate shall approve the legislation by two-thirds of its number, it shall become Law. If a Bill is not returned to the Senate by the President within seven days after it shall have been presented to him, it shall become Law regardless. " [note: As the Council of Governors are not required to sign the bill if they approve, the fact that a week of inaction by them is the same thing as consent goes without saying. I hope. If people find this too unclear please say so.]

Yeah, I think the period for the Council to set out their objections should be made explicit.

[minionofmidas]

Wow, my text doesn't *quite* say what I remember it as saying.

[minionofmidas]

Placeholder. I want to say something, tomorrow.