CPRM, Pt 3: LA 11/6

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Interesting little trivia that I'm sure most people here already know: Tulsi Gabbard's father was a Republican nominee who ran against Ed Case.

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No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America.

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

Is Kaniela Ing a member of DSA?  Sincerely curious.

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No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

You actually lived under communism not socialism.  I don't support either but they aren't the same.  Democratic Socialism is also different from socialism or social democracy.

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No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

Well, you're not very social!

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It seems Emily's List did not endorse Donna Mercado Kim

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No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

Well, you're not very social!

Surely. My nickname in University was "lone wolf")))

As a liberal I identify with Linus from Charlie Brown:  "I love humanity.  It's people I can't stand."

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New results are finally coming in.

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New results are finally coming in.

Should have written 'additional results.'  I hate impression - Deep Throat, AKA Mark Felt

20 precincts counted for governors race, 8%

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Well, this is interesting.  From Politico election site:

170.3% of precincts reporting (424/249)   *Incumbent
154,279 total votes

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Corrected

   50.8%   David Ige*   61,441   
45.1%   Colleen Hanabusa   54,591   
2.2%   Ernest Caravalho   2,633   
1%   Wendell Ka'ehu'ae'a   1,161   
0.6%   Richard Kim   785   
0.3%   Van Tanabe   384   
14.5% of precincts reporting (36/249)   *Incumbent
120,995 total votes

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Still no changes:

   51.4%   David Ige*   79,298   
44.5%   Colleen Hanabusa   68,670   
2.2%   Ernest Caravalho   3,447   
0.9%   Wendell Ka'ehu'ae'a   1,412   
0.6%   Richard Kim   979   
0.3%   Van Tanabe   473   
49% of precincts reporting (122/249)   *Incumbent
154,279 total votes

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So, Hawaii, assuming they win in November, will be represented by one of the most conservative Democrats (Ed Case) and a Bernie Sanders supporter who agrees with Trump on some aspects of foreign policy (Tulsi Gabbard.)  Very strange.

It shouldn't be forgotten though that Ed Case was a genuine profile in courage in the State Legislature when it came to his very early support for LGBTQ rights in Hawaii.

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Blue Dogs like to argue that they run in areas where someone more progressive couldn't win. Well, the only time a Republican was elected to congress from Hawaii since 1988 was the fault of Ed Case.

Or of Colleen Hanabusa.

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^ I could subscribe under that too)))))

I hope Virginia doesn't feel a need to delete this.  Maybe it doesn't fit into this thread, but I think it says so much about people's political attitudes, among many other things.

Apparently this line from Linus is referred to by some people as "Schulz' Paradox"

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Can someone explain to me how Richard Painter got the Our Revolution endorsement lmao?!

Because OurRevolution are a bunch of grifters who actually don't give a sh**t about ideology?

once again, he doesnt have the endorsement, so I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Apparently we are talking about this:

https://www.facebook.com/RWPMinnesota/photos/a.164896390865092.1073741829.149059175782147/180912365930161/?type=3&theater

Our Revolution of South Minnesota is some lame shoot-off, not the official organization.

As if the official organization isn't lame!

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Polls have closed in Vermont.

Time for you to call the race.

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Could Dan Freilich beat Pete Welch?

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Rocky only 6 votes

That's less votes than the junior high student has gotten.

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Unfortunately looking like Ethan won’t be a future Eternal President after all

There should be a 'if you run for office while in Junior High, you can never run for office again' law.

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Gotta admit, I feel kind of stupid now. Every time I saw Phil Scott's primary opponent's name mentioned, they always just said "grocer," so I kept thinking it was like, just some literal bagger or cashier running a some dude campaign (it's happened before elsewhere), now that I saw this person getting >38% I looked him up and he owns a grocery store.

Why can't they just say he owns a grocery store / small business? Why "grocer" ?

Maybe it's a British thing but for a long time grocery store owners have been referred to as 'grocers.'

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WULFRIC PROJECTION - CT:

Governor

Democratic Primary

CANDIDATE   VOTE   PCT.   
Ned Lamont
1,230   86.6%   
Joseph P. Ganim
190   13.4   
1,420 votes, <1% reporting (3 of 701 precincts)

Cue Joe Lieberman announcing his independent run for Governor.

Connecticut For Lieberman II:  The Revenge of Joementum.

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who the devil is this Johnson chap?

He's also a Henenpin County Commissioner.

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So now Jeff Johnson moves onto the general election, where he will proceed to lose as bad or worse than his failed 2014 challenge to Dayton.

He needs to get Eddie Murphy to campaign for him.

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Does Walz carry his congressional district in the governor's race, what is yall's guess? Mine is yes.

Yes, though I'm still skeptical Dems will hold the district on the house level.

The district is actually trending more Democratic though as it becomes more and more urban.

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How about putting WI-07 and WI-08 on the board of competitive seats?

I just took WI-07 off my list.