CPRM, Pt 3: LA 11/6

[smoltchanov]

Buh bye for now Ing teehee, at least a little silver lining.

You do realize that since Case seems to have won, he will likely be primaried and lose in 2020, right?

The only thing important NOW is that he seems to have won. And - no new AOC's to boot...

eh, we got one in MI last tuesday, we can not get one seat in HI.

Tlaib is an ff though because she is muslim.

fair

Buh bye for now Ing teehee, at least a little silver lining.

You do realize that since Case seems to have won, he will likely be primaried and lose in 2020, right?

The only thing important NOW is that he seems to have won. And - no new AOC's to boot...

eh, we got one in MI last tuesday, we can not get one seat in HI.

2 out of 435 is not so dangerous)))

It is when there is a possibility for more, and that this is their first year running with support.

Emily's List had a 20% success rate when they first started.


Anyway, with Cases win, I will have to change the new members added to the caucus in the "Blue Dogs" thread

Well, i, probably, will not be alive 30-40 years from now, so - i may not care whether US will be half-socialist THEN. What important to me is that it's not NOW, and will NOT be in the near future.

You sir, will be greatly disappointed, considering the current trends in both parties and how fast the DSA has grown and gotten candidates.

anyway, im signing off for now, its too late here on the East.

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

[MAINEiac4434]

Ige dominating in Honolulu. Hanabusa isn't doing well enough in the rest of the state to make up.

[136or142]

What time is it in Hawaii right now?

[Pandaguineapig]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Ige dominating in Honolulu. Hanabusa isn't doing well enough in the rest of the state to make up.

I suspected it would be the other way around while still holding a narrow Ige win. Any thoughts on why Honolulu is going bigger for Ige when it is Hanabusa's seat but the rest of state where she does not represent is mostly going to her?

[MAINEiac4434]

What time is it in Hawaii right now?

Almost 8 PM

[smoltchanov]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

Disagree. She was always left-of-center type, even as Republican, and now, when small Republican party of Hawaii is dominated by even smaller ultra-right "base" she really didn't had a future there. So, she gambled. I would do it too. But i would file for reelection and wait for couple of terms before running higher (she could afford it, she is young enough, and she would be reelected to her present seat). But - she decided differently.

[136or142]

What time is it in Hawaii right now?

Almost 8 PM

Thanks. The polls close early there.

[Pandaguineapig]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

Disagree. She was always left-of-center type, even as Republican< and now, when small Republican party of Hawaii is dominated by even smaller ultra-right "base" she really didn't had a future there. So, she gambled. I would do it too. But i would file for reelection and wait for couple of terms before running higher (she could afford it, she is young enough, and she would be reelected to her present seat). But - she decided differently.

Eh, this reminds me of all the Louisiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia democrats becoming republicans, the whole theatrics she went about doing it also made it clear it was a stunt. Trust me, if after tonight she was offered a position in the Trump administration, she would accept and become a conservative Republican again with little issue

[smoltchanov]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

Disagree. She was always left-of-center type, even as Republican< and now, when small Republican party of Hawaii is dominated by even smaller ultra-right "base" she really didn't had a future there. So, she gambled. I would do it too. But i would file for reelection and wait for couple of terms before running higher (she could afford it, she is young enough, and she would be reelected to her present seat). But - she decided differently.

Eh, this reminds me of all the Louisiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia democrats becoming republicans, the whole theatrics she went about doing it also made it clear it was a stunt. Trust me, if after tonight she was offered a position in the Trump administration, she would accept and become a conservative Republican again with little issue

We will see. She is young, and i doubt, that her career is finished.

[MAINEiac4434]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

Disagree. She was always left-of-center type, even as Republican< and now, when small Republican party of Hawaii is dominated by even smaller ultra-right "base" she really didn't had a future there. So, she gambled. I would do it too. But i would file for reelection and wait for couple of terms before running higher (she could afford it, she is young enough, and she would be reelected to her present seat). But - she decided differently.

Eh, this reminds me of all the Louisiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia democrats becoming republicans, the whole theatrics she went about doing it also made it clear it was a stunt. Trust me, if after tonight she was offered a position in the Trump administration, she would accept and become a conservative Republican again with little issue

Yup. Beth Fukumoto realized she could grift the resistance crowd by being all "Drumpf is beyond the pale! I need to become a Democrat to RESIST him! I didn't leave my party, the party left me!"

She's a joke who either holds no real values or changes them for whomever she's trying to ingratiate herself with.

[136or142]

Interesting little trivia that I'm sure most people here already know: Tulsi Gabbard's father was a Republican nominee who ran against Ed Case.

[smoltchanov]

Surprised to see Ed Case being able to make a comeback, it's also good to see Fukomoto's blatant opportunism get her nowhere.

She went too soon. Obviously, Democratic party is more suitable for her now, but - to run for Congress less, then a year, after switch is too early...

Well I would argue the whole theatrics around her becoming a Democrat were pure opportunism to advance her political career, she knew she couldn't get elected as a Republican so she had a "change of heart", and it looks like her transparent stunt was good for about 5% of the vote

Disagree. She was always left-of-center type, even as Republican< and now, when small Republican party of Hawaii is dominated by even smaller ultra-right "base" she really didn't had a future there. So, she gambled. I would do it too. But i would file for reelection and wait for couple of terms before running higher (she could afford it, she is young enough, and she would be reelected to her present seat). But - she decided differently.

Eh, this reminds me of all the Louisiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia democrats becoming republicans, the whole theatrics she went about doing it also made it clear it was a stunt. Trust me, if after tonight she was offered a position in the Trump administration, she would accept and become a conservative Republican again with little issue

Yup. Beth Fukumoto realized she could grift the resistance crowd by being all "Drumpf is beyond the pale! I need to become a Democrat to RESIST him! I didn't leave my party, the party left me!"

She's a joke who either holds no real values or changes them for whomever she's trying to ingratiate herself with.

In 90+% of cases, where party switching took place, it was party, that "left candidate", not vice versa. I studied hundreds of such cases in Southern legislatures, for example. CHS is good case. She was elected to Mississippi's legislature  in 1999as very conservative )in genuine sense of these words) Democrat, when dozens of equally conservative Democrats served there. By the time she switched - there were, may be 3-4 (now there is no one comparable, only "moderate conservatives"). So - who left whom??? Or, may be, she must "move left" with the party and become DSA-member? What for???

[smoltchanov]

Interesting little trivia that I'm sure most people here already know: Tulsi Gabbard's father was a Republican nominee who ran against Ed Case.

More trivia: IIRC  - he is NOW a DEMOCRATIC state senator.

[Chief Justice Keef]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America.

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

^ An effortpost on a results coverage thread is evidence of how slow Hawaii counts. The second printout should have been released already.

[136or142]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America.

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

Is Kaniela Ing a member of DSA?  Sincerely curious.

[smoltchanov]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

EW EW EW EW Ed Case.

Hopefully he’s a changed man.

[136or142]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

You actually lived under communism not socialism.  I don't support either but they aren't the same.  Democratic Socialism is also different from socialism or social democracy.

[ON Progressive]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid. But of course, according to you, only centrists are intelligent and anyone else is an idiot.

[smoltchanov]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

[136or142]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

Well, you're not very social!

[smoltchanov]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

You actually lived under communism not socialism.  I don't support either but they aren't the same.  Democratic Socialism is also different from socialism or social democracy.

As i said many times - THAT life gave me immunity against ANY form of socialism. And it's lifetime...

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