CPRM, Pt 3: LA 11/6

[smoltchanov]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

Well, you're not very social!

Surely. My nickname in University was "lone wolf")))

[136or142]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

Thinking the DSA is the same as the USSR is hilariously stupid.

As i said - i don't believe (and never will) in ANY sort of "socialism". So, it's not me, who is stupid.

Well, you're not very social!

Surely. My nickname in University was "lone wolf")))

As a liberal I identify with Linus from Charlie Brown:  "I love humanity.  It's people I can't stand."

[smoltchanov]

^ I could subscribe under that too)))))

[Chief Justice Keef]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

The DSA is not a Stalinist org, lol. You being the enlightened centrist who thinks he's smarter than everyone else should know that. And it doesn't matter if someone like AOC hasn't "convinced" you. The DSA has already convinced tens of thousands of politically active people of their platform and message, and that number continues to grow.

[smoltchanov]

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

The DSA is not a Stalinist org, lol. You being the enlightened centrist who thinks he's smarter than everyone else should know that. And it doesn't matter if someone like AOC hasn't "convinced" you. The DSA has already convinced tens of thousands of politically active people of their platform and message, and that number continues to grow.

You are correct - i know it. Nevertheless, as i already said i can't even hear word "socialist", so vivid my memory of it is. Gald for you, and let's finish that. No one will convince another, but i sincerely hope, that not only me, but my 16-year old son will never live under socialism.

[136or142]

New results are finally coming in.

[136or142]

New results are finally coming in.

Should have written 'additional results.'  I hate impression - Deep Throat, AKA Mark Felt

20 precincts counted for governors race, 8%

[136or142]

Well, this is interesting.  From Politico election site:

170.3% of precincts reporting (424/249)   *Incumbent
154,279 total votes

[136or142]

Corrected

   50.8%   David Ige*   61,441   
45.1%   Colleen Hanabusa   54,591   
2.2%   Ernest Caravalho   2,633   
1%   Wendell Ka'ehu'ae'a   1,161   
0.6%   Richard Kim   785   
0.3%   Van Tanabe   384   
14.5% of precincts reporting (36/249)   *Incumbent
120,995 total votes

[smoltchanov]

So far - no big changes. All - within 1-2%

[136or142]

Still no changes:

   51.4%   David Ige*   79,298   
44.5%   Colleen Hanabusa   68,670   
2.2%   Ernest Caravalho   3,447   
0.9%   Wendell Ka'ehu'ae'a   1,412   
0.6%   Richard Kim   979   
0.3%   Van Tanabe   473   
49% of precincts reporting (122/249)   *Incumbent
154,279 total votes

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

WULFRIC PROJECTIONS:

Governor
Democratic Primary
CANDIDATE   VOTE   PCT.
David Ige*
79,298   51.4%
Colleen Hanabusa
68,670   44.5
Ernest Caravalho
3,447   2.2
Wendell Ka'ehu'ae'a
1,412   0.9
Richard Kim
979   0.6
Van Tanabe
473   0.3
154,279 votes, 49% reporting (122 of 249 precincts)

U.S. House District 1 »
Democratic Primary
CANDIDATE   VOTE   PCT.
Ed Case
29,531   41.0%
Doug Chin
18,521   25.7
Donna Kim
12,983   18.0
Beth Keiko Fukumoto
4,493   6.2
Kaniela Ing
4,061   5.6
Ernie Martin
2,246   3.1
Sam Puletasi
273   0.4
72,108 votes, 57% reporting (65 of 115 precincts)

[smoltchanov]

Congratulations, Governor Ige, future (and past) congressman Case, and Congresswoman Gabbard!))))))))))

[Greatblueheron]

I’m really happy that Tulsi Gabbard defeated her primary challengers. Because, it’s really refreshing to know their still are Democrats that are opposed to Neoconservative regime change efforts against Iran and Syria, that will only further destabilize those countries and cost thousands of lives and Trillions of dollars.

[smoltchanov]

I’m really happy that Tulsi Gabbard defeated her primary challengers. Because, it’s really refreshing to know their still are Democrats that are opposed to Neoconservative regime change efforts against Iran and Syria, that will only further destabilize those countries and cost thousands of lives and Trillions of dollars.

Yeah. Asad is SOB, but Islamic State is much worse.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I’m really happy that Tulsi Gabbard defeated her primary challengers. Because, it’s really refreshing to know their still are Democrats that are opposed to Neoconservative regime change efforts against Iran and Syria, that will only further destabilize those countries and cost thousands of lives and Trillions of dollars.

Gabbard supports regime change in Iran, which is why she was endorsed by Bill Kristol.

[136or142]

So, Hawaii, assuming they win in November, will be represented by one of the most conservative Democrats (Ed Case) and a Bernie Sanders supporter who agrees with Trump on some aspects of foreign policy (Tulsi Gabbard.)  Very strange.

It shouldn't be forgotten though that Ed Case was a genuine profile in courage in the State Legislature when it came to his very early support for LGBTQ rights in Hawaii.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Blue Dogs like to argue that they run in areas where someone more progressive couldn't win. Well, the only time a Republican was elected to congress from Hawaii since 1988 was the fault of Ed Case.

[136or142]

Blue Dogs like to argue that they run in areas where someone more progressive couldn't win. Well, the only time a Republican was elected to congress from Hawaii since 1988 was the fault of Ed Case.

Or of Colleen Hanabusa.

[136or142]

^ I could subscribe under that too)))))

I hope Virginia doesn't feel a need to delete this.  Maybe it doesn't fit into this thread, but I think it says so much about people's political attitudes, among many other things.

Apparently this line from Linus is referred to by some people as "Schulz' Paradox"

[Antonio the Sixth]

kim jong un pls nuke

[smoltchanov]

Blue Dogs like to argue that they run in areas where someone more progressive couldn't win. Well, the only time a Republican was elected to congress from Hawaii since 1988 was the fault of Ed Case.

Or, may be, it was a fault of Democrats who ran AGAINST Ed Case))))

[MAINEiac4434]

FWIW Case was the only State Senator to vote against a bill outlawing same-sex marriage in the 90s. He’s pretty trash on most other issues but I don’t think Pelosi will have a tough time whipping him.

[Doimper]

FWIW Case was the only State Senator to vote against a bill outlawing same-sex marriage in the 90s. He’s pretty trash on most other issues but I don’t think Pelosi will have a tough time whipping him.

Especially since he'll have Hanabusa 2020 hanging over his head.

[Beet]

I’m really happy that Tulsi Gabbard defeated her primary challengers. Because, it’s really refreshing to know their still are Democrats that are opposed to Neoconservative regime change efforts against Iran and Syria, that will only further destabilize those countries and cost thousands of lives and Trillions of dollars.

Gabbard is also against regime change war in North Korea, which would be the same, except replace thousands with millions, so yeah.