Karen Pence returns to teaching at anti-LBGTQ school

[Calthrina950]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.

Is this all you have? Of course it is, considering who you are....

[Badger]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.

Is this all you have? Of course it is, considering who you are....

Do you have anything yourself to offer other than that personal attack on Hagrid? If not, FYI that's something of a concession that he's right.

Tick tock tick tock....

[Calthrina950]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.

Is this all you have? Of course it is, considering who you are....

Do you have anything yourself to offer other than that personal attack on Hagrid? If not, FYI that's something of a concession that he's right.

Tick tock tick tock....

I already made my points above. And given that I've been savaged with far worse, what I said was mild by comparison.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

I'm not afraid of LGBT people at all.  But it's quite obvious that support for SSM within Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is due to social pressure.

[Figueira]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

I'm not afraid of LGBT people at all.  But it's quite obvious that support for SSM within Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is due to social pressure.

No, those Jews (myself included) and Christians and Muslims are smart enough to realize that a thousands-of-years-old book is not the be-all end-all of morality.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

Being opposed to same-sex marriage and relationships does not make people homophobes. A lot of this LGBT movement has to do with social pressure. It's not even known how many people ACTUALLY support same-sex marriage. Many of the polls from various research centers show same-sex marriage support around 68%. I do not believe that support is that high. I think many of those opposed to same-sex marriage are afraid to share their beliefs due to the hostile political environment we live in today. There is lots of hostility towards those who oppose same-sex marriage. I have even received death threats. You all think that I am the intolerant one. Why do you care if somebody opposes same-sex marriage? It's not your business! How does it effect you in anyway?

Now that us gay people can get married, it affects us much less.  People should not be hurling death threats at you for any reason, let alone opposition to gay marriage... but your opposition is not harmless.  You are basically just writing off a whole segment of society based on whatever reasons you have for opposing same-sex marriage.

If you do not want to allow committed long term same sex couples to marry, they are then denied certain rights and privileges under the law.  That does harm.  A major issue was gay partners not being able to visit their dying partners in the hospital because of rules about family ties.

Imagine if you were denied seeing your dying parent in the hospital because, say, you were adopted?  Or it was your step-father who raised you?

I would say that goes beyond simple harm.  It would be traumatizing.  If your political belief or religious belief is forced on others to the point that they experience trauma... then you are, at the very least, intolerant... and homophobic.  You are so afraid of going against your belief that you would traumatize someone else permanently for a little arbitrary peace of mind.

[mgop]

damn what is q now in lgbtq?

[Wells]

So I guess you approve of having drag queens tell "story time" to small children, and having them taught about these sorts of things. That seems to be out of line.

Are you homophobic, Calthrina?

[Calthrina950]

So I guess you approve of having drag queens tell "story time" to small children, and having them taught about these sorts of things. That seems to be out of line.

Are you homophobic, Calthrina?

What? No. But I think a line needs to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is not.

[Mopsus]

Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

[Badger]

So I guess you approve of having drag queens tell "story time" to small children, and having them taught about these sorts of things. That seems to be out of line.

Are you homophobic, Calthrina?

What? No. But I think a line needs to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is not.

And that line should be drawn.... Where now?

[Progressive Pessimist]

damn what is q now in lgbtq?

"Queer" referring to people who do not directly comply with basic expectations of sexuality but at the same time, do not neatly fit into one of the other categories. It's more of an umbrella term.

[Figueira]

The word "homophobic" in English means anti-gay. Not every particle has to maintain its original Greek meaning. If someone says they're a lesbian do you tell them "No you're not from the island of Lesbos?" Of course not. Quit being obtuse.

damn what is q now in lgbtq?

"Queer" referring to people who do not directly comply with basic expectations of sexuality but at the same time, do not neatly fit into one of the other categories. It's more of an umbrella term.

I've seen it mean "questioning" as well.

[7,052,770]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

I'm not afraid of LGBT people at all.  But it's quite obvious that support for SSM within Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is due to social pressure.

Wrong again. The Episcopals and ELCA (and other smaller denominations) decided to affirm LGBTQ equality because their own members believed in it, and it had nothing to do with "social pressure."

Similarly, when your denomination decides to do so at some point in the first half of the 21st century, it will because the leadership honestly believes in it, not because of "social pressure."

[Calthrina950]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

I'm not afraid of LGBT people at all.  But it's quite obvious that support for SSM within Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is due to social pressure.

Wrong again. The Episcopals and ELCA (and other smaller denominations) decided to affirm LGBTQ equality because their own members believed in it, and it had nothing to do with "social pressure."

Similarly, when your denomination decides to do so at some point in the first half of the 21st century, it will because the leadership honestly believes in it, not because of "social pressure."

I wonder when the Catholic Church will give in. Probably in the latter half of this century. It will be interesting to see how churches pair their support for gay marriage with contradictory passages in the New Testament.

[Figueira]

It's honestly sad to see people condemning broad swaths of the population because of an outdated set of rules.

EDIT: Fixed.

[Calthrina950]

It's hard to tell if the Catholic Church will ever give in. In fact, viewpoints on the LGBT community may reverse in the future but not anytime soon.

I would agree that it is not a guaranteed thing, but given the pace of social change, I wouldn't be surprised if it does end up happening. It's possible that if they don't, they might come under pressure from under quarters, and be denounced as a "bigoted" and "outdated" institution.

[Calthrina950]

It's hard to tell if the Catholic Church will ever give in. In fact, viewpoints on the LGBT community may reverse in the future but not anytime soon.

I would agree that it is not a guaranteed thing, but given the pace of social change, I wouldn't be surprised if it does end up happening. It's possible that if they don't, they might come under pressure from under quarters, and be denounced as a "bigoted" and "outdated" institution.

I strongly agree with you. Much of this LGBT movement is the social pressure of acceptance. No other identity politics movement has made so many changes in such a short amount of time. Viewpoints that were mainstream in 2012 are now viewed as hateful, bigoted, and backwards.

You're right about that as well. The amount of change that has taken place on this issue over the past ten years is astounding. Some thought that gay marriage would be legalized gradually, and would not become a nationwide practice until the last quarter of this century. But it came much faster than that. I've come to accept the legal status quo, but I oppose any effort to attack people because they don't personally agree with the practice.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

It's honestly sad to see people condemning broad swaths of the population because of a fictional deity.

Much sadder to see complete and outright dismissal of the majority of the population's lived cultural experience with a handwave of superiority. Those people's lives matter significantly more than a tiny handful of radicals who proudly devote their lives to evil.

[Rookie Yinzer]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

[Figueira]

It's honestly sad to see people condemning broad swaths of the population because of a fictional deity.

Much sadder to see complete and outright dismissal of the majority of the population's lived cultural experience with a handwave of superiority. Those people's lives matter significantly more than a tiny handful of radicals who proudly devote their lives to evil.

I edited my post, but now I'm tempted to change it back after seeing your homophobia.

[Santander]

It's honestly sad to see people condemning broad swaths of the population because of a fictional deity.

Much sadder to see complete and outright dismissal of the majority of the population's lived cultural experience with a handwave of superiority. Those people's lives matter significantly more than a tiny handful of radicals who proudly devote their lives to evil.

I edited my post, but now I'm tempted to change it back after seeing your homophobia.

Plenty of gay people are opposed to gay marriage or the gay lifestyle.

[Fuzzy Bear]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

[Rookie Yinzer]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

It’s very weird that you’re glad the Governor who would have expanded access to healthcare to 500,000 Georgians lost because of a random post on the Internet. I’m intrigued that I have so much power over you.

[Badger]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

That is an incredibly over broad statement. First off, there are many religious people, including Christians like myself, who have exactly zero problem with LBG TQ marriage or rights. Secondly, the theological and political differences between Orthodox and reform I need Christians such as fuzzy in myself really really don't begin to determine or even offer a worthwhile explanation is to whether and why God exists.