The Liberal Party.

[Peeperkorn]

"The Liberal Party was founded by a member of former members of the Liberal Caucus of the JCP [1] and the majority of members of the National Centrists [2]".


And, at the end:

[1] oakvale, napoleon, scott, and the rest of the guys.
[2] Teddy and the rest of the guys.

Again, it's a stub on an editable wiki. If you guys don't like what I've written so far, feel free to re-write it.

My apologies, I'm new here. But thank you Teddy for creating the wiki entry.

[Peeperkorn]

Just say it was founded as the Liberal Caucus in December, becoming a party after the JCP dissolved, etc. etc. etc.

Who founded the Liberal Caucus? Oakvale? I forget.

Me, Oakvale, Bacon King, Scott, and Dallasfan. The founding five!

That's fine with me. Include Teddy for the Liberal Party and that's it. Also, I'm not allowed to edit the wiki =/

[Peeperkorn]

This party strongly opposes the death penalty.

Aye!

[Mopsus]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

[Peeperkorn]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.


My opinion is:

-abortion 15 weeks free or in case of rape or risk for the mother.
-Complete opposition to death penalty.
-Support to assisted suicide after psychological assistance.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

[Napoleon]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

No, we actually have a platform going and are defining our niche. We don't want to be something bland like a "Non-Partisan League". We're a policy focused group.

[Peeperkorn]

Our goal should be defend the inalienable rights and the support of them until they hurt someone else's rights.

That's Liberalism.

[Peeperkorn]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

That's because, as an "American", your knowledge is biased towards simplicity.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

This party is becoming more right-wing by the second.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

That's because, as an "American", your knowledge is biased towards simplicity.

I think accepting the term "Liberal" on a simplistic American definition is this party's best strength. You shouldn't point it out too much.

[Napoleon]

Marokai, do you really have nothing better to do than attack a party that is still developing?

[Peeperkorn]

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

That's because, as an "American", your knowledge is biased towards simplicity.

I think accepting the term "Liberal" on a simplistic American definition is this party's best strength. You shouldn't point it out too much.

Teaching is its own reward.

[Oakvale]

Just say it was founded as the Liberal Caucus in December, becoming a party after the JCP dissolved, etc. etc. etc.

Who founded the Liberal Caucus? Oakvale? I forget.

Me, Oakvale, Bacon King, Scott, and Dallasfan. The founding five!

I hope it's not seen as egocentric of me to suggest these five be listed as the founders. If you want to be more accurate, the caucus intially developed out of conversations between me and Napoleon, and Scott, but let's not split hairs.

Why not have the same statement on issues like abortion/capital punishment/assisted suicide: "While the official party position is [insert party position here], we recognize that this is a very personal issue which individual members are allowed to have differing opinions on."

In that case we would be a catch-all party.

I'm pretty sure that seems to be the general goal, here.

Respectfully, Marokai, that's not true. Or at least, that's absolutely not my intention as a co-founder and interim Chair. I had assumed the Liberal Party would end up an influential, centrist party somewhat to the left of the old Democratic Alliance that could, hopefully punch above its weight. Perhaps ironically, I've been thinking of "Liberal" in the European (or Canadian, perhaps!) sense, rather than the American meaning of "generally left wing". The party, in my opinion, is for those of the centre-left.

The last thing I want is for another big tent party to dominate the Left. I was a vocal supporter of the dual dissolution exactly because I recognise the problems of large catch-all parties.

EDIT: Oh, I strongly, strongly urge the membership to include opposition to the death penalty as one of our planks. We can be centrists without being Moderate Heroes - a member's personal opinion is one thing, but I'd rather not have, say, Liberal Senators voting in favour of an (IMO) inherently illiberal policy.

[Peeperkorn]

I support Billy Butler Yeats (event though he's an anti-paulist ¬¬) and obviously Napoleon. But I would like to see more presence of the other heavy weights of the party before taking some positions.

[Mopsus]

In case I wasn't clear enough earlier: I definitely think that the party should have an official stance on capital punishment, abortion, and assisted suicide (Which, if I could have it my way, would be oppose, support [to a point], support), but I think that disagreeing with the party line need not disqualify one from joining.

[Peeperkorn]

Well, I'll repeat MY positions.


-Abortion 3 months unless risk of life for the mother or rape.
-Complete abolition of death penalty.
-Legal euthanasia.....life is a right and you can chose to end it if you want to.

[Mopsus]

In case I wasn't clear enough earlier: I definitely think that the party should have an official stance on capital punishment, abortion, and assisted suicide (Which, if I could have it my way, would be oppose, support [to a point], support), but I think that disagreeing with the party line need not disqualify one from joining.

Didn't you read the previous posts?

Yes. I was afraid that I may not have been clear enough in my earlier post. Sorry if I seemed dense.

[Peeperkorn]

In case I wasn't clear enough earlier: I definitely think that the party should have an official stance on capital punishment, abortion, and assisted suicide (Which, if I could have it my way, would be oppose, support [to a point], support), but I think that disagreeing with the party line need not disqualify one from joining.

Didn't you read the previous posts?

Yes. I was afraid that I may not have been clear enough in my earlier post. Sorry if I seemed dense.

Al revés I seemed dense, it was not my intention.

[Mopsus]

In case I wasn't clear enough earlier: I definitely think that the party should have an official stance on capital punishment, abortion, and assisted suicide (Which, if I could have it my way, would be oppose, support [to a point], support), but I think that disagreeing with the party line need not disqualify one from joining.

Didn't you read the previous posts?

Yes. I was afraid that I may not have been clear enough in my earlier post. Sorry if I seemed dense.

Al revés I seemed dense, it was not my intention.

It's all good. And hey! I know a new phrase!

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I joined this party as a more classical liberal party, rather than a stereotypical left-wing party... but I'm obviously happy to have some elements in the platform.

[Oakvale]

I joined this party as a more classical liberal party, rather than a stereotypical left-wing party... but I'm obviously happy to have some elements in the platform.

^ This was actually my intention in creating the caucus (and now party)! I hope the Social Democrats get up and running soon so we don't have more left-wing members joining the party mistakenly and having to leave.

[Peeperkorn]

I joined this party as a more classical liberal party, rather than a stereotypical left-wing party... but I'm obviously happy to have some elements in the platform.

I'm a classical liberal, in fact, in my country I'm a member of a "right-wing" party.

[Peeperkorn]

I could write a marvelous classical liberal platform, but my English is not that good.

[Peeperkorn]

If you give me one day I could do it.