The TrumpCare comes back from the dead (...and lives!) thread

[mvd10]

I'm not really sure whether this would hurt the GOP in 2018. They are most vulnerable in Romney/Clinton districts (or districts who voted for Romney and trended Dem). These are not the kind of districts that you lose by stripping millions of people of their healthcare.

It's still terrible though. Obamacare isn't the main driver of the debt and the economic growth that comes from repealing a 3.8% investment tax isn't going to magically insure 20 million people. It's probably time to reconsider my avatar lol. I hope it won't pass the senate.

The worst part of it is that they could have spent their time on something useful. They should make cosmetic changes to Obamacare, declare victory and move on to reforming the tax system (or medicare/social security reform but that's not going to pass).

I completely agree with J_American btw, some of the attacks here are disgusting.

[#gravelgang #lessiglad]

Why the heck is the GOP putting Trumpcare over Trump Tax cuts.

Lowers the spending baseline in advance of tax "reform." if tax plan deficit + healthcare savings offset, reconciliation process is permanent, instead of sunsetting after 10 years.

[Deblano]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Agreed. Some of the calls for political violence/retaliation spooks me, to put it lightly.

[ApatheticAustrian]

They'll use reconciliation. I don't understand the question? The filibuster isn't applicable because of the use of reconciliation.

as far as i did understand it, it wasn't totally clear if the reconciliation process was enough/could be used in such situations, so i wanted to make sure i "got" it the right way.

if 50 votes are enough, i guess it's possible that they pass some monster which squeaks through with threats and bribes ......

just above me how this thing could then be fused with the house bill again.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

[JohnCA246]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

[Yank2133]

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Lots of old people on medicaid and they vote.

[The_Doctor]

Austrian, the way it works is that this bill will be considered a shell bill that goes to the Senate. Then the Senate will substitute the House bill with its own bill, which then goes to a final vote. They've given themselves reconciliation power over healthcare so that they can do this with 51 votes. So once that happens they can then revoke that power and use it for the tax bill.

(In other words I demonstrate I know more than Klartext about the US government)

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

this

i understand people getting pissed if they or someone they know lose their healthcare insurance but trump voters are getting screwed the most anyway and the right thing to do atm would be to get active and to make sure to communicate who is responsible for doing what and how to stop it,

Don't get mad. That triggers the dopamine in their brains. You have to ask them why they support the bill and defend it. That's when the hemming and hawing begins.

Exactly. Don't put someone in such a reflexively defensive position, because then they simply double-down and refuse to even consider reflection. You want to challenge their thinking; ask questions, challenge their logic, make emotional appeals that'll connect with them. Pure confrontation is like spanking a child because they did something that upset you; it's not going to correct the problem, it only creates more and temporarily makes you feel better.

Also, do not condescend or simply condemn Trump and Republican voters. They made an awful choice for which many of them will be disproportionately negative affected, but they're still human beings deserving of basic human decency, which should include health care. We must engage these voters, challenge them to justify their views (like TD has been saying), and appeal our case. Most won't be convinced, but we only need a minority of them to take back the House, Senate, and majority of state governments, then the White House.

[publicunofficial]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. ... [Deleted by Torie]

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

[Beet]

Any Democrat who voted for this should be primaried.

[Figueira]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

I mean sure but more importantly Republicnans need to chill with these low-blow attacks on people's healthcare.

[Ronnie]

Any Democrat who voted for this should be primaried.

None did, thankfully.

[mvd10]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

[Deblano]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

But it feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels good.

[Yank2133]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

To be fair, he isn't voting to strip healthcare from millions of people.

[publicunofficial]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

Because it's the fault of those kids that Chaffetz is a coward? More dead people aren't going to make the situation better.

Ironic coming from the biggest supporter of Israel's treatment of Palestinian children.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

Republicans have repeatedly shown their sense of compassion is only activated if they or someone they care about struggles with the issue at hand. It takes their children coming out as gay to treat gay people with any sense of respect. It takes years of torture in a Vietnam PoW camp to realize that torturing our enemies not is bad. So yes, I absolutely hope Jason's Chaffetz's kids all have to be put into iron lungs.

I'm sorry you have such hate in your heart, especially for the innocent.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Heh heh heh.

Payback's a bitch.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

http://shareblue.com/gop-lawmaker-to-constituents-who-will-die-without-health-care-they-didnt-vote-for-me/

Fck being nice.  People are going to die either way.  It's every man for himself now, remember?

So, become immoral, depraved, and nihilistic like these Republicans? Reject the inherent right of all human beings to basic human dignity (which includes health care)? No thanks. Tell me though, what then separates you from the monster you're fighting?

To be fair, he isn't voting to strip healthcare from millions of people.

No, but his philosophy is dangerously close to theirs.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Austrian, the way it works is that this bill will be considered a shell bill that goes to the Senate. Then the Senate will substitute the House bill with its own bill, which then goes to a final vote. They've given themselves reconciliation power over healthcare so that they can do this with 51 votes. So once that happens they can then revoke that power and use it for the tax bill.

(In other words I demonstrate I know more than Klartext about the US government)

thank you and sorry for asking that question half a dozen times instead of just looking it up myself.

so it is in fact a stretch, which could also be used for single payer in the future.....not interesting for you, but i guess my and my socialist friends are going to love it.

[JA]

Some of you guys need to chill with these low-blow attacks. Yes, these Republicans who voted for this are scumbags and I want them to lose their seats and hopefully face their conscience no less than anyone else here. In fact, I already wrote my Congressman who voted for this law a very strongly worded message of condemnation. But hoping their children get chronic conditions? Wanting them to get hit by an ambulance? Come on, you know that's not right.

I mean sure but more importantly Republicnans need to chill with these low-blow attacks on people's healthcare.

Well, obviously. But you don't win by adopting their inhumane values, do you?

[publicunofficial]

Side note: F**k all the Democrats cheering the passing of this thing because of the possibility of more seats they can win. Try to act you care A LITTLE about the people you're supposed to be protecting from the GOP's bulls**t.

[JA]

Heh heh heh.

Payback's a bitch.

And what proof do you have that the majority of people in those states with pre-existing conditions voted Republican? (Not that that really matters, because I find your gleeful cheering of sick people's suffering abhorrent)