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« Reply #825 on: December 05, 2013, 02:22:06 AM »

It's not as if Ireland doesn't have a long tradition of non-party candidates, of course.
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« Reply #826 on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:16 AM »

It's not as if Ireland doesn't have a long tradition of non-party candidates, of course.

His constituency gets pared down from a 4-seater to a 3-seater at the last election and his seat is the most vulnerable. It has elected independents before, and from the same geographical area within the constituency (Paddy McHugh from 2002 to 2007), but it was a 4-seater at the time.

But if he wanted to be consistent with his stated reasons for leaving Labour, joining FF (which is no more left-wing than even the current social liberalism-fixated version of Labour) makes little sense.
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« Reply #827 on: December 05, 2013, 01:04:39 PM »

What's wrong about having stopped killing people? It's more than can be said of the GOP, the Democrats, the Tories, Labour, the CDU, the SPD... Tongue
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« Reply #828 on: December 05, 2013, 01:26:21 PM »

What's wrong about having stopped killing people? It's more than can be said of the GOP, the Democrats, the Tories, Labour, the CDU, the SPD... Tongue

Indirect killing by drones, bombs, or the side-effects of "fiscal corrections" is, of course, acceptable, as we all know by now. However, old stories keep resurfacing.

An establishment media which detests and fears the Shinners (as much for what they might do to unsettle the self-same establishment as for what they did in a previous incarnation) will of course play these stories for all they're worth, but Adams really doesn't do himself any favours at times.
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« Reply #829 on: December 06, 2013, 10:42:01 AM »

Anyone shocked at Adams' comment here but following the same line of reasoning regarding Al-Qaeda is officially not an Irish man and needs to be deported to England ASAP. Tongue
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« Reply #830 on: January 09, 2014, 02:18:14 PM »

First opinion poll of the year from RedC (changes from last poll and changes from last general election result - in italics - in brackets):

FG 28 (-1) (-8.1)
FF 22 (-) (+4.6)
SF 18 (+3) (+8.1)
Lab 10 (-2) (-9.4)
Green 2 (-) (+0.2)
Ind/Oth 20 (-) (+4.6)

Marijuana legislation (which seems to be a popular topic elsewhere on the board at the moment):

Yes 38
No 57
Too stoned to answer Don't Know 5
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« Reply #831 on: February 07, 2014, 04:14:42 AM »
« Edited: February 07, 2014, 04:44:39 AM by ObserverIE »

I see some of the independents don't think there are enough factional leftist groups in the Dáil.
 
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To be fair, it's a group of leftish independents co-ordinating activities rather than yet another addition to the set of perpetually-feuding amoebas Trotskyite fragments, each claiming to be the vanguard of left unity.
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« Reply #832 on: February 07, 2014, 01:34:06 PM »

It looks like "Independent Traditional – Unionist Voice".
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« Reply #833 on: February 10, 2014, 05:26:28 PM »
« Edited: February 10, 2014, 05:33:29 PM by ObserverIE »

A couple more polls from last month for completeness' sake:

RedC (changes in comparison with the earlier January poll):

FG 27 (-1)
Ind/Oth 24 (+4)
FF 23 (+1)
SF 16 (-2)
Lab 9 (-1)
GP 1 (-)

Millward Brown/IMS (changes in comparison with last November; this poll measured undecided at 37%, so party figures are based on a relatively small percentage of the total sample):

FG 30 (+3)
FF 26 (+2)
SF 16 (-5)
Ind/Oth 16 (-3)
Lab 12 (+3)

The unadjusted figure for Labour in both polls was 7%.
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« Reply #834 on: February 21, 2014, 02:45:56 AM »

There's been another RedC poll on the 2015 Gay Marriage referendum.

Do you support the introduction of same-sex marriage into the Irish constitution: 76-19

Are those who oppose same-sex marriage homophobic? 41-59

80% of those polled said that people in same sex relationships should be able to have the same rights as traditional families.

41% said they had some reservations about adoption by gay couples.
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« Reply #835 on: February 21, 2014, 09:47:15 PM »

Good to see FG having a small lead.
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« Reply #836 on: February 22, 2014, 12:21:07 PM »

Good to see FG having a small lead.

Good that it's a lead, or good that it's a small one?
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« Reply #837 on: February 22, 2014, 12:35:20 PM »

Good to see FG having a small lead.

Good that it's a lead, or good that it's a small one?

Good that it's a lead.

Of course, I would rather Labour have a lead; but I'll take FG.
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« Reply #838 on: February 22, 2014, 01:21:00 PM »
« Edited: February 24, 2014, 06:43:51 PM by ObserverIE »

Good to see FG having a small lead.

Good that it's a lead, or good that it's a small one?

Good that it's a lead.

Of course, I would rather Labour have a lead; but I'll take FG.

You are aware that FG are comfortably the most right-wing of the major parties here on economics, and that Labour have abandoned their own economic policies (and any pretensions toward keeping the larger coalition party honest) in order to get a few trifles on social liberal issues? Imagine a coalition of Mitt Romney and Michael Bloomberg and you won't be far off.

Anyway...

Two more polls this weekend.

RedC (changes since last month):

FG 29 (+2)
FF 22 (-1)
Ind/Oth 19 (-5)
SF 16 (-)
Lab 11 (+2)
GP 2 (+1)
SP 1 (+1)

More detail on the RedC poll on same-sex marriage here.

Behaviour and Attitudes (changes since December):

FG 30 (-)
Ind/Oth 21 (-)
FF 19 (-2)
SF 18 (+3)
Lab 9 (-2)
GP 3 (-)
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« Reply #839 on: February 22, 2014, 01:29:42 PM »

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I myself am economically conservative, somewhat. So that does not bother me.


About the polls; it's interesting to see SF gaining, or, staying the same.
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« Reply #840 on: February 22, 2014, 01:35:54 PM »


Are those who oppose same-sex marriage homophobic? 41-59


Well no one want's to have to hand over hush money to the Iona Institute do they Smiley
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« Reply #841 on: March 01, 2014, 10:06:44 PM »

Millward Brown/IMS (changes since last month):

FG 27 (-3)
SF 22 (+6)
FF 21 (-5)
Ind/Oth 20 (+5)
Lab 8 (-4)
GP 2 (+1)
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« Reply #842 on: March 03, 2014, 10:53:49 AM »

The fact that SF have surged takes the relief out of the fact that FF haven't profited from this GSOC thing.
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« Reply #843 on: March 03, 2014, 11:51:21 AM »

The FF 'comeback' must be one of the most overrated phenomenons of recent years. Remember folks, they are still polling worse than they did at the time of the last local elections (in 2009) and that was believed by everyone then to be an absolute nadir in their performance...
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« Reply #844 on: March 03, 2014, 02:04:10 PM »

The fact that SF have surged takes the relief out of the fact that FF haven't profited from this GSOC thing.

Personally, I'm not really bothered as to who profits politically from the GSOC/McCabe-Wilson issue as long as the issue is dealt with.

But it would be reassuring to see FG and Labour take some sort of hit in popular support for their behaviour over it (Shatter's in particular, but also the spinelessness and utter cynicism of the likes of Rabbitte; I am old enough to remember Rabbitte's antics during the downfall of the Reynolds/Spring coalition and the contrast between now and then is instructive).

Both Shatter and Callinan should have been dispatched last year: a Garda Commissioner who feeds a minister with politically-incriminating tit-bits about opposition TDs and a vindictive megalomaniac who thinks it OK to come out with these tit-bits to try to discredit an opponent in a television interview are both unfit for the positiions they hold.
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« Reply #845 on: March 21, 2014, 08:20:38 PM »



Just a reminder, they haven't gone away know....

I think here it will be of interest to note that the Socialist Party are running in the Euros under the name 'STOP THE WATER TAX - Socialist Party'
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« Reply #846 on: March 21, 2014, 08:24:20 PM »

By 'they' do you mean the water charges, the stickies, or both?
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« Reply #847 on: March 21, 2014, 08:35:21 PM »

By 'they' do you mean the water charges, the stickies, or both?

It's a common term used to describe IRA/The North in the meeja here. 'They' can be anyone.
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« Reply #848 on: March 21, 2014, 08:39:56 PM »

Let's not forget also

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« Reply #849 on: March 22, 2014, 03:44:18 PM »

Another by-election due in Dublin West as the winner of the last one resigns over "inappropriate messages" left on the Facebook page of a 17-year-old girl.
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