Trump: Guns for teachers will end school shootings

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I've never heard a pro-gun Republican even attempt to address the fact that the vast majority of teachers have no interest in carrying guns at school.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I've never heard a pro-gun Republican even attempt to address the fact that the vast majority of teachers have no interest in carrying guns at school.

I have no doubt that's the case. 

I will say that this issue is so new, it's taken folks by surprise.

[Sestak]

Republicans:

-> Give teachers more work which they're unqualified to do

-> Force teachers to give religious sermons in class

-> Pay teachers less

-> Teach their children not to respect teachers because they're just a worthless lot who needs the government to survive and don't provide anything useful to socity

Good luck with that, guys.

[pbrower2a]

If you treat students like prisoners, they're going to act like prisoners.

True enough.  But kids are treated like inmates far more by their predatory peers (gang members, drug dealers, pathological bullies, and other head cases) than they are by school staff.

Zero tolerance for 'predatory peers' is a good idea. As a substitute I show no tolerance for bullying. Head cases? I have Asperger's, which by some definitions could make me a 'head case'.
Many kids have no choice about being 'head cases', and schools must accommodate kids with handicaps.  

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Teaching and law enforcement are incompatible. A teacher with a gun would lose trust quickly, and teachers would be in deep trouble if they forgot to guard a gun while they instinctively responded to a questionable situation.

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My sympathy to your child. Some schools have placed cameras in classrooms, and those are automatically on in K-12 classes in which the school concentrates trouble-makers and on if the teacher or an administrator so desires. I would turn one on in the event of a medical emergency.

It may be appropriate to have a second teacher (arguably an enforcer or deterrent) following the trouble-makers around, especially if there is a substitute or a new teacher.  

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In my case I have gotten warnings from the regular teacher at the class in which I substitute, and I have no qualms about warning the student -- if with a little subtlety, as in "Bill, I expect you to be on your best behavior today because I don't enjoy writing referral notices". I love to write "NO DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS TODAY!" on my report for my day's work.  

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I agree with the consensus that this will not be a solution but some of the criticisms here are rather silly as well. Nobody proposed forcing teachers to be armed, only allowing those teachers who wanted to. So no sweet old lady teacher would be forced to have a gun. Also they surely would have to be locked up, it wouldn’t just like be sitting on a desk or in a holster for God’s sake. Get a grip people. Oppose a policy on its merits or lack thereoff, don’t just spout nonsense.

So, you're saying that the GOP's actual proposal to stop all school shooting is that some teachers and other school employees will have a gun locked up somewhere? So that when a shooting is in progress, they can just go mosey on over to their gun locker - while the gunman patiently waits - then, in a state of complete calm, open the locker, ready their weapon, and then fire some of those magic bullets that will find the prospective shooter and kill them (and only them), without forcing the now-armed school employee to conduct a frantic hunt for them.

Anyone who thinks "arm the teachers" is anything other than moronic is, themselves, so stupid they ought to be found legally incompetent to conduct their own affairs.

Learn the concept of nuance my friend. I never said it was a good solution. Actually I said it wasn’t. I just think a policy should be considered honestly rather than demagogued. You are correct in stating that it isn’t a practical solution. It might at the very least be something that makes shooters less brazen though. One of the reasons schools are chosen is because they are easy targets.

Most folks here have one agenda; to disarm law abiding citizens and take their guns, along with their right to keep and bear arms.  That's their bottom line.  

I'm willing to be proven wrong.  Much has been said about Trump being a demogogue over arming teachers, but there is a degree of demogoguing the gun control issue as well.  

I'm not sure who you're talking about, but I have NEVER advocated to disarm everyone. Of course, you're welcome to beat up as many straw men as you like.

Nor have I. I am a firearms enthusiast (though I draw the line at spending the ludicrous amounts of money some people spend on their collection / obsession / hobby). A large part of the reason I am in favor of much stronger restriction is because of all the stupid and dangerous things I have seen people do with their firearms, mostly because they have no understanding of or practice with their expensive but potentially deadly toys.

I want to see guns available only to those who can demonstrate they can and will use them responsibly. That doesn't mean outright banning them, but I see no problems with registry, comprehensive but fair examination to get a firearms permit, or even the need to store ammunition or the guns themselves at an armory.

[Badger]

This sounds like a terrible idea.

[darklordoftech]

Wouldn't this open up the schools and the teachers to a lot of liability? For example, if a shooter grabs the teacher's gun, is the teacher and/or the school at fault?

[Badger]

Wouldn't this open up the schools and the teachers to a lot of liability? For example, if a shooter grabs the teacher's gun, is the teacher and/or the school at fault?

Case by case determination, but the broad answer I would give any school district I was legal counsel for is "hella yes!"

[darklordoftech]

Wouldn't this open up the schools and the teachers to a lot of liability? For example, if a shooter grabs the teacher's gun, is the teacher and/or the school at fault?

Case by case determination, but the broad answer I would give any school district I was legal counsel for is "hella yes!"

I was thinking that whoever provides insurance to the schools wouldn't want to insure schools with armed teachers.