Update XXII: Cleaning Up the Meat at [redacted].

[Smash255]

So, I gather by this purchase you aren't going to attempt to stand 8 hours in the next 12 11 days and will just assume your magic shoes will solve the problem.

I have nothing to stand up 8 hours for.  I have no practical reason other than conditioning to do so.

That's a practical reason, dopey. We are trying to tell you that, in order to maximize your chances of succeeding, you should put your body through some trials NOW.

What would I do while I'm standing for 8 hours?  I am not going to walk for 8 hours.  I will play on the internet some, but that's hard to do standing up.  I just have nothing to do while I'm standing up for 8 hours.  I'll be fine.  Trust me.

Why is it that we all care about your success more than you do?

Here's a novel idea: choose eight different locations around Oklahoma City to visit and walk around in them all in one day. Whatever you want ... a mall, a Walmart, a Cracker Barrel, whatever. Just keep moving. Maybe a zoo (it's nice out now) or a park. See things you haven't seen, keep your mind occupied and just walk. Maybe download an audiobook and listen to it while you walk in a park. Change locations if you need to keep interested. Just keep moving.

I wish you would trust us that this job will physically wreck someone like you if you refuse to do some basic conditioning.

I can do it.  I will be on my feet for no more than 2 to 2 1/2 hours at a time.  I will have 2 15 minute breaks and one 30 minute lunch that I can sit down.  I have no doubt I will be very, very sore, but it will be good for me.  I have plans for the rest of the week and the weekend and I'm not going to break those.  You all have to trust me.  I will be fine.

Okay so don't stand for 8 hours straight, incorporate any breaks you would take into standing like you would during an 8 hour shift

Stand up for 2 1/2 hours, doing 15minutes or so of walking during that span.

 Sit down for 15 minutes

Stand for 2 hours, walk around for 10 of them

Sit down for 30 minutes & gorge yourself on whatever crap you would shovel into your body

Stand for 2 hours, walk for a few of those minutes

Sit for 15 minutes

Stand for an hour and 30 minutes.  Walk around 3 times 5 minutes each


It might seem like a silly concept, but someone as out of shape as you need to practice standing and being on your feet all day

[Smash255]

I'm just being realistic. I wish Bushie took this job seriously, but refusing to do any moving to "rest up" before the job isn't a viable option. I want him to succeed but I've been burned so many times in the past that it's just silly to think this will be different.

No, you're just being pessimistic.  I guess it's understandable, but it's not guaranteed realistic.  I have no doubt I can do this.  I've stood up most of the afternoon today and I feel fine.  I'll sit down to eat here in a few minutes and then I'll stand up for a little bit once I get home.

I'm trying guys.  It may not be how you want it, but beggars cannot be choosers.  I'll start this job and I'll work long and hard at this job and surprise all of us.

Bushie, actually listen for once.  You need to Practice.  I think you can handle it, as long as you prepare yourself for it.  If you don't prepare you will fail, and right now you aren't preparing.

Do this tomorrow::

Stand 2 hours

Sit 15 minutes

Stand 2 hours

Sit 30 minutes

Stand 2 hours

Sit 15 minutes

Stand 2 hours

[Smash255]

Now, you all are just belittling me.  You know what?  I don't need negative attitudes or beratement plaguing my mind ahead of a new job.  You all should just be happy that I have a job that will be of benefit to me health wise.  You will never be happy, but you should be.

Bushie, stupid comments deserve stupid responses.  The whole standing is exercise comment was a stupid comment.

Is it better than sitting on your ass?  Yes, is it exercise?  No

[Smash255]

Now, you all are just belittling me.  You know what?  I don't need negative attitudes or beratement plaguing my mind ahead of a new job.  You all should just be happy that I have a job that will be of benefit to me health wise.  You will never be happy, but you should be.

Bushie, stupid comments deserve stupid responses.  The whole standing is exercise comment was a stupid comment.

Is it better than sitting on your ass?  Yes, is it exercise?  No

That stupid comment came in response to the stupid suggestions that standing has virtually no health benefits.  I know it's not exercise in and of itself, but I will be walking while I work and doing other activities as well.  I think it was King that pointed out a few days ago that meat can be heavy.  I will likely be carrying trays and containers of all different cuts and types of meat.  I may be doing other lifting.  The suggestion that this job has no health benefits was ludicrous, in my mind, and therefore warranted a stupid comment which warranted the stupid comment.  We were basically volleying the stupidity back and forth.

Bushie, the job in itself is obviously better health wise than sitting on your ass all day whether in an office or on your couch.  With that being said, doing that by itself won't accomplish anything.  You need ACTUAL exercise.

[Smash255]

Good Thursday Morning!  I slept well overnight, but I discovered that I think I am fully into air conditioner season now.  I flipped my heater on last night, but got too hot even with the fan on, so I flipped the air conditioner back on at 0545 this morning and I felt much better almost immediately.  I've got a feeling I won't be using my heater again until late this fall.  Anyway, today, I'm starting my last full day off until I go back to work tomorrow evening.  I don't have much to do this morning until I watch the 2015 NCAA Basketball Tournament.  I do need to clean my apartment today while I watch the games.  I'll be going to bed by 2200 tonight so I can be up at 0445 tomorrow to drive to Shawnee.

Why the f*** would you put the ac on when its in the 50's??

Why the f*** would you have both the heat and fan on at the same time?

[Smash255]

I can't give Jeff any crap about having the AC on already. I've had mine on for nearly two weeks since it warmed up considerably, although it's back to heat now thanks to a cold front. I don't like the heat and certainly can't sleep in it.

Then again, I pay my own electric bill ... so there's that.

It wasn't so much Bushie turning the AC on because it got warm that was the issue, it was the fact is was in the 50's when he did it.

[Smash255]

I can't give Jeff any crap about having the AC on already. I've had mine on for nearly two weeks since it warmed up considerably, although it's back to heat now thanks to a cold front. I don't like the heat and certainly can't sleep in it.

Then again, I pay my own electric bill ... so there's that.

It wasn't so much Bushie turning the AC on because it got warm that was the issue, it was the fact is was in the 50's when he did it.

In (possibly undue) fairness to him, it did get quite warm in the Plains states for a period of about a week, and then a cold front moved in. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and guessing that he didn't turn it on when the temperature hit 50, but turned it on when it hit 80 all of the sudden and just happened to tell the story after it had dropped again.

He made mention in his post Thursday morning that he turned it on early in the morning(around 545).  The low/high in Tulsa was 47/54 on Thursday

[Smash255]

I can't give Jeff any crap about having the AC on already. I've had mine on for nearly two weeks since it warmed up considerably, although it's back to heat now thanks to a cold front. I don't like the heat and certainly can't sleep in it.

Then again, I pay my own electric bill ... so there's that.

It wasn't so much Bushie turning the AC on because it got warm that was the issue, it was the fact is was in the 50's when he did it.

In (possibly undue) fairness to him, it did get quite warm in the Plains states for a period of about a week, and then a cold front moved in. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and guessing that he didn't turn it on when the temperature hit 50, but turned it on when it hit 80 all of the sudden and just happened to tell the story after it had dropped again.

He made mention in his post Thursday morning that he turned it on early in the morning(around 545).  The low/high in Tulsa was 47/54 on Thursday

Is there a problem?

It's a bit absurd to put the a/c on when it is around 50.  Open a window

[Smash255]

Also, is anybody really angry at Bushie when we tell him to eat a salad instead of nachos? I think the anger and lashing is a projection of ODF's feeling when he reads he cannot eat ground beef as a diet.

I really wish Bushie would change his mind about stuff.

Here's a wishlist I have for Bushie:

1) 30 minutes of exercise a day
2) Daily pushups/situps/crunches (only 10/25/10 would at least do something)
3) Drink diet soda only
4) Have a daily multivitamin
5) Drink V8 V-Fusion or something to at least get some fruits/veggies in him
6) Cut bread intake

I think you are greatly overestimating both Jeff's abilities and the benefits of these types of activities at this point. Maybe he can think about these types of exercises after he's shed 100 pounds. Until then, cardio and basic movements ought to be his focus. God Himself couldn't get Jeff to do 10 push-ups or 25 sit-ups at this point.

But 10 pushups/25 situps/10 crunches a day is absolutely nothing.  You can do that in 1 commercial break. 

He is a fat out of shape mess with no discipline or dedication.   I highly doubt he could do any pushups, but even if he could somehow physically manage he would even attempt any because of pure laziness.

[Smash255]

Everyone of you are despicable.  I have done absolutely nothing to deserve to be so rudely insulted.  All I did was change jobs.  You would not question anybody else for changing jobs, so why are you insulting me so harshly?  I come out the winner in all this.  I am the honest guy.  You all are vile, despicable, and sick human beings.  You don't care about me, you just use me for entertainment.  You are the vile ones, not me.  I am done with the Update.  I am done being treated worse than yesterday's trash.  I'll stick around and talk politics, but the Update is done.  I ask that it be locked.  Idiots.

Bushie,

I'm not going to bash the crap out of you (as much as I want to), I just want to see if you can take a step back and look at this logically for a minute

You are going back to your old ways of, someone is being critical of me so I'm taking my ball and going home and lash out.

Do you see why this seems to make no sense to anyone??  You were going off on how good things are looking at your new job, and then suddenly make a quick and rash switch with no explanation.

1.  If things were going as well as you claimed, why the sudden switch?  It is one thing to try and better yourself and your position, but to make sudden rash switches like that makes no sense.

2.  Why type of CURRENT IT background do you have??  Things change very quickly in the world of IT, as far as I am aware you have done very little of anything truly IT related in about a decade

3.  What makes this position a better fit than the Supermarket?

4.  Did you do any actual research into the company or the position?  What makes you qualified for this job?

5.  Please send any relevant information about this company to myself, J-Mann, or any others who you trust on here (name of company, link to the job offer/description.

6.  Do  NOT give your two weeks notice under ANY circumstances.


I am trying to be nice about this for now (though I probably shouldn't be)

[Smash255]

Confession, it is tech support.  It is very similar to what I was doing at Dell and at Xerox.  That's what I meant by IT support.  So, yes, it is a call center.  I will not be supporting one pharmacy, but a lot of pharmacies in Northeastern Oklahoma.  I will be at a central location about 3 miles away.  The part where I lied was the location of the job.  I apologize for that.

I also apologize for insulting everyone earlier this morning.  You guys are not all those words I spewed out earlier.  I still don't think I deserve to be treated without dignity, but I understand where you all are coming from given my previous statements about Sprouts.  I just don't think it warranted the nastiness that resulted.  No one needed to get ugly, and neither did I.  We are all men (and 1 woman).  We are all adults.  Why can't we speak cordially like adults, not like children?  I'm talking to myself just as much as I am talking to each one of you.  I am not a piece of trash, either, like people out of anger have said.  I am far from perfect, but I'm just doing what I can to provide for myself.  I don't think a grocery store job is any more legit than a call center job.  True, my history hasn't always been kind to call center jobs, but be that as it may.

Here is the reason I left Sprouts:  I was starting to get the idea that I was seriously risking my feet and back.  I felt that I was about 10-15 years too late and about 100-125 pounds too heavy to really be able to do the job very well.  Yesterday, one of my friends on Facebook told me of when she started working as a letter carrier for the post office at age 40.  She was real heavy and not in shape at all.  She could only do the job for a short time before she had to work inside at the post office for 9 years.  She is now on disability, hurts all of the time, both of her hands now have nerve damage, and she has to get injections in her right knee twice a year all because she took on a job that she physically couldn't do.  Her bad health was not an excuse, it was reality.  That confirmed the decision to change jobs and really validated it for me.  I know you all will probably balk at her story, but it really validated the decision for me.  Now, perhaps I was wrong about my perception and my fear, but we'll really never know the answer to that.

Bushie,

Of course your feet and back were going to be sore and painful, you went from no exercise too constantly being on your feet.  This is why we told you to prepare for this, prepare for being on your feet all day.  You did make a little attempt at being on your feet, but it was a half-hearted one at that.

Secondly, just because she had issues, doesn't mean you would have the same issues.  Being a mail carrier is a bunch more work than what you were doing.  Not to mention if you actually tried to get exercise, and eat better, you wouldn't have as many issues with you back and feet.  This seems like an excuse not to really do much more than anything else.

When anything gets a bit tough, regardless if its exercise related, food related, job related or anything else you seem to try to take the easiest way out.  

[Smash255]

I know I said I was done, but let me honest here for a second:

In all honesty, I am thinking about what could have been at Sprouts.  I do kind of regret leaving there.  However, I also know while it's good to reflect and learn, I need to move on very quickly.  I can't afford to go into a new job, no matter what the job is, with a negative attitude or regret about the last job.  I don't deserve to start myself behind the 8 ball in this new job because I am dwelling on the past.  I need to learn from the past, yes, but then I need to quickly move on and focus all my attention on this new job.  I am just thankful I have employment.  That's a nice way to spend one's birthday.  I will be in training on my birthday.  Yes, I am going through a bit of buyer's remorse, but I think everyone here would agree that I cannot dwell on that too long or I will have already failed before I have even started.

Bushie, you need to stop making rash non-sensical decisions.  That is the bottom line.  We have been through this so many times its almost mind numbing.   You went from saying you were real happy and everything was going well to all of a sudden accepting another call center/support type job and quitting your current job?  Why, because some other overwight person told you they had issues??  What??  You make these absurd and rash decisions over and over, its insane.

Now, you should go to this new job with a good attitude, but nothing is ever going to change unless you stop making these crazy rash decisions.  It's not like you haven't been down this road before.  And yes as much as you are a laughing stock at times and poked fun at, it not like the people on here aren't trying to help you out.  Hell this board is probably the reason you aren't sharing a jail cell with Bubba on fraud charges

If you are going to change ANYTHING about your life, whether it be the issues with your weight, healtth, job, etc the rash decisions have to stop.  You don't have to make a decision on a dime.  Even if you feel you should accept a job, you don't have to quit the other one on a dime.  Take some time make a composed and educated decision, run it by those who have tried to help you on here for years.  This rash crap is insane.

Everyone makes mistakes, no one is exempt, I have made ones myself including job related ones.  However, the important thing is that you think things through.  If you thought something through, made an educated decision, gathering all the facts, listening to others input and it happened to be wrong for whatever reason it would be one thing.  You don't do that, you make a decision on a rash basis without taking the time to think it over, without taking the time to come to an educated decision.  If that doesn't change, nothing ever will

[Smash255]

If you regret quitting Sprouts, go apply at other groceries. There are many in Tulsa.

He doesn't regret it -- he knowingly made the mistake. Despite everyone here telling him NOT to quit, NOT to put in a two-week notice to take a new job that at the time he was knowingly lying about, and so forth.

This is the best way to summarize mistakes Bushie makes. He usually has ample time and ample advice to avoid making the mistake, but just like gravity...

He never takes time to think about anything, even when has has tie. He jumps in makes a rash decision and that is that.  It is absurd and he does the same thing over and over.

We all make mistakes and at times the same ones. but take the time to lean from them.  Make an educated well thought out decision, if it happens to be wrong again so be it, but at least it was thought about and an educated decision.