NC Passes Amendment One

[TJ in Wisco]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

[FloridaRepublican]

Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

Yes! Because comparing slavery and lynchings to anti-gay marriage is TOTALLY rational!

The bigots of today aren't that different from the bigots of yesterday.  Both support restricting rights to people on account of physical traits.  I see no reason why homophobia shouldn't be compared to racism.

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

[Governor Scott]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

Yes! Because comparing slavery and lynchings to anti-gay marriage is TOTALLY rational!

The bigots of today aren't that different from the bigots of yesterday.  Both support restricting rights to people on account of physical traits.  I see no reason why homophobia shouldn't be compared to racism.

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

Glad we're finally on the same page.

[FloridaRepublican]

Thank God. Maybe there's hope for this country after all.

Yup.  And we'll take our country to a time when it was great- lynchings, church burnings, beatings- hell, maybe we'll even reinstate slavery!

PROGRESS.

Yes! Keep those completely ridiculous, irrelevant comparisons coming!

Ridiculous?  Irrelevant?  Give me a break.

Come out of the closet any time.

Can you please act like an adult? He's obviously enjoying your taunting.

There isn't exactly a rational way you can deal with these types of people.

Yes! Because comparing slavery and lynchings to anti-gay marriage is TOTALLY rational!

The bigots of today aren't that different from the bigots of yesterday.  Both support restricting rights to people on account of physical traits.  I see no reason why homophobia shouldn't be compared to racism.

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

Glad we're finally on the same page.

Me too

[TJ in Wisco]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

[Governor Scott]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

Sure, then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126957/Homophobes-attracted-sex-study-finds.html

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

turnout was extremely heavy....the jmfcsts were out in force tonight!

[Former Moderate]

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays. Just human garbage.

[greenforest32]

NC ban - Passes by 8-10 points in the May primary (pass more narrowly if it was in November)

Looks like I was off by about 13 points

I was hoping for better...

[TJ in Wisco]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

Sure, then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126957/Homophobes-attracted-sex-study-finds.html

I've read the study before, but this doesn't match up with pretty much every other study on the percentage of the population that is homosexual.

Since popular opposition to gay marriage has collapsed over the last ten years, does this also mean the percentage of the population that are closeted homosexuals has also collapsed?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays. Just human garbage.

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays or human garbage...neither are they apostates.

[Wiz from Wis in Mass]

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays. Just human garbage.

Yep

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Should the Democrats move their convention to a state that doesn't constitutionally ban existing same and opposite sex domestic partnerships?

[Governor Scott]

Not that it matters, since there are studies which suggest that most of you guys are closet homos, anyway.

Does that mean 30% of NC voters are closet homos?

It passed by 60%.

You said half, so I gave the lowest possible figure to interpret your statement as reasonably as possible.

Sure, then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126957/Homophobes-attracted-sex-study-finds.html

I've read the study before, but this doesn't match up with pretty much every other study on the percentage of the population that is homosexual.

Since popular opposition to gay marriage has collapsed over the last ten years, does this also mean the percentage of the population that are closeted homosexuals has also collapsed?

There are closet gays, bisexuals, and people who are unsure.  Someone who opposes gay rights aren't going to admit that they're gay.  But I love it when these self-righteous preachers are caught doing exactly what they said was wrong.

Also, today more homosexuals are eager to come out of the closet because of society's steady shift towards acceptance (this is why, I believe, tonight won't even matter in the next few decades or so).  Some people, regardless of their true orientation, can simply come to be more tolerant of same-sex marriage.  No, I don't believe that literally every opponent of same-sex marriage is gay, but it isn't wrong to suspect someone who holds that opinion of being gay or having gay emotions.

[Governor Scott]

Should the Democrats move their convention to a state that doesn't constitutionally ban existing same and opposite sex domestic partnerships?

The location of the convention is part of the strategy, so I don't think the Democrats would want to move it because of this, especially since I don't believe it has fully endorsed marriage equality, yet.

[Former Moderate]

So most of the approximately 61% of North Carolinians who voted in this referendum are closeted gays. Makes sense to me!

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays. Just human garbage.

No, the ~60% aren't closet gays or human garbage...neither are they apostates.

no, no, no, I think I'm on to something here with this human garbage business

[TJ in Wisco]

Scott, the reason I'm pressing you on this is your response to every thread about gay marriage and every post against it is to:

1. Call the other person a bigot (or some other personal insult)
2. Call them a closeted homo (thus their opinion doesn't count)
3. Post it in the Ignorant/Absurd/Bad Post Thread

And you just posted something that is totally ridiculous: that at least 30% of NC voters are closeted homosexuals.

[Senator Napoleon]

Should the Democrats move their convention to a state that doesn't constitutionally ban existing same and opposite sex domestic partnerships?

They should but will not.
LOL at TJ in Closet using "homo" as a legitimate term of discussion.

[TJ in Wisco]

LOL at Napoleon coming up with something to snidely attack me for

[Governor Scott]

Scott, the reason I'm pressing you on this is your response to every thread about gay marriage and every post against it is to:

1. Call the other person a bigot (or some other personal insult)
2. Call them a closeted homo (thus their opinion doesn't count)
3. Post it in the Ignorant/Absurd/Bad Post Thread

And you just posted something that is totally ridiculous: that at least 30% of NC voters are closeted homosexuals.

Well, what kinder word should I use to refer to people who think we should be denying equal rights to people on account of sexual orientation?  I have never, nor will I ever see why such an attitude should be seen more favorably than racism.

If 30% of NC voters did turn out to be closet homosexuals, then I honestly wouldn't be surprised.  I'm not saying it's true because of course I don't have scientific evidence to prove that that many people, in fact, are.  I'm merely pointing out that these studies suggest something... interesting.

[Senator Napoleon]

As does anecdotal evidence.

[crypto-fascist superhero]

The Kinsey study, which was conducted in the deeply-repressed* 1950s revealed that 42%(!) of men reported having sexual contact with another man to the point of orgasm.  It's fairly clear that at least partial bisexual tendencies are very common among men and that many men are deeply ashamed of that fact.  That said, the percentage of men who could be described as homosexual or homosexual-leaning bisexuals is still fairly low, probably between 5-10% including closeted ones.

*with regards to homosexuality, in general they wasn't quite as repressed as is the popular image in terms of sex.

On a related subject, as a gay man I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the whole "all you homophobes are just gay!" argument, which concerns me for two reasons:

1. By implication it accepts the homophobe's premise that being gay is an inherently bad thing.

2. It implies that the majority of gay people are closeted self-haters.


Also comparing opposing same-sex marriage to lynching is definitely excessive hyperbole and somewhat offensive.

[Governor Scott]

November might tell a different story in Washington, Maine and Maryland. Or maybe not.

Washington and Maine -probably.

Maryland is more iffy, due to the high proportion of evangelical black voters who are otherwise stalwart Democrats. 

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Anyone else wish to speculate? 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-poll-shows-slim-support-for-gay-marriage-20120308,0,3650775.story

Nothing's for certain, but it's positive.  I hope that tonight's results don't create momentum for the wrong side, though.

[TJ in Wisco]

How about "gay marriage opponents"? You know, something that gives as specific, accurate, objective description possible?

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Positively dreadfull and sickening result, I must say.