EU elections predictions!

[CO-OWL]

(Inofficial) Results from the Netherlands:

CDA 24,5% (7 seats)
PvdA 23,6 (7 seats
VVD 13,1 (4 seats)
GL 7,4 (2 seats)
CU/SGP 5,9 (2 seats)
D66 4,2 (1 seat)
SP 7,0 (2 seats)
Eur. Transp. 7,3 (2 seats)
LPF 2,6 (0 Seats)
Other 4,4 (0 Seats)

Turnout: around 39%

[Umengus]

(Inofficial) Results from the Netherlands:

CDA 24,5% (7 seats)
PvdA 23,6 (7 seats
VVD 13,1 (4 seats)
GL 7,4 (2 seats)
CU/SGP 5,9 (2 seats)
D66 4,2 (1 seat)
SP 7,0 (2 seats)
Eur. Transp. 7,3 (2 seats)
LPF 2,6 (0 Seats)
Other 4,4 (0 Seats)

Turnout: around 39%

please, can you give me evolution/1999?

[Jens]

CDA 24,5% (7 seats)  -2
PvdA 23,6 (7 seats) +1
VVD 13,1 (4 seats) -2
GL 7,4 (2 seats) -2
CU/SGP 5,9 (2 seats) -1
D66 4,2 (1 seat) - 1
SP 7,0 (2 seats) +1
Eur. Transp. 7,3 (2 seats) +2 (new party)
LPF 2,6 (0 Seats)
Other 4,4 (0 Seats)

Turnout: around 39%

Look at http://www.electionworld.org/europeanunion.htm for the 1999 election results

[freek]

CDA 1.162.028 24,4 7
PvdA 1.121.647 23,6 7
VVD 625.659 13,2 4
GroenLinks 350.931 7,4 2
Europa Transparant 347.744 7,3 2
SP 332.471 7,0 2
ChristenUnie/SGP 280.290 5,9 2
D66 201.465 4,2 1
Partij voor de Dieren 152.910 3,2 0 (Animal's party)
LPF 121.192 2,5 0
Partij voor het Noorden 18.030 0,4 0 (North regionalist party)
Nieuw Rechts 15.663 0,3 0 (Extreme-right xenophobic LPF split off)
Leefbaar Europa 9.333 0,2 0 (Livable Europe)
Democratisch Europa 9.316 0,2 0 (Pro-EU VVD-split off)
Respect Nu 4.612 0,1 0 (Pro-tobacco party)

And compared to earlier elections (Tk'03 is Second Chamber 2003)

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     Nederland                 *********
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   **na 99,9% vd stemmen  3/8  *********
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           EP'04  EP'99  TK'03 EP'04-'99
 CDA        24,4   27,0   28,6   - 2,6  
 PvdA       23,6   20,1   27,3     3,5  
 VVD        13,2   19,6   17,9   - 6,4  
 GRLINKS     7,4   11,8    5,1   - 4,4  
 CU-SGP      5,9    8,8    3,7   - 2,9  
 D66         4,2    5,8    4,1   - 1,6  
 SP          7,0    5,1    6,3     1,9  
 DemEur      0,2    0,0    0,0     0,2  
 LeefbEur    0,2    0,0    0,0     0,2  
 PvhN        0,4    0,0    0,0     0,4  
 NwRechts    0,3    0,0    0,0     0,3  
 EurTrans    7,3    0,0    0,0     7,3  
 LPF         2,6    0,0    5,7     2,6  
 PvdD        3,2    0,0    0,5     3,2  
 RespNu      0,1    0,0    0,0     0,1  
 Overige     0,0    1,8    0,8   - 1,8  
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Results per municipality can be found here (all preliminary, so results may be incorrect): http://www.nrc.nl/redactie/Doc/EP04/provincie.shtml

[freek]

My prediction, which I made two months ago:

CDA            8
PvdA           7
VVD+D66    4+1
GroenLinks  2
SP               2
CU/SGP       2
LPF             1

Kinda neat, eh? . Almost correct. . At the time I did the prediction (April 7), the whole Europa Transparant-party was still completely unknown, therefore I missed it. .

[Gustaf]

Yay! Europa Transparent got in!

Good for van Buitenen.

Now, the latest poll from Sweden:

SAP: 32.7%, 7 seats (+1)

M:     22.3%, 4 seats (-1)

V:     11.1%, 2 seats (-1)

FP:   10.1%, 2 seats (-1)

MP:    8.5%, 2 seats (0)

JL:      5.2%, 1 seat (+1)

C:       4.7%, 1 seat (0)

KD:     3.9%, 0 seats (-2)

Finally a poll that makes some sense! I'm gonna post a new one at midnight, when it comes out, but since SIFO, who conducted this one, is the only reliable institute, I'll go with them. June List is the only party with a clear positive trend, and I expect them to make further gains in the final days. KD is dead and I think C might well lose their footing as well. I certainly hope they do. SAP is gonna get hurt badly by turnout. I think they'll lose a seat and either M or JL will get that seat. I don't expect MP, FP or V to get anything but 2 seats. They're not going anywhere, IMHO.

[Jens]

My prediction, which I made two months ago:

CDA            8
PvdA           7
VVD+D66    4+1
GroenLinks  2
SP               2
CU/SGP       2
LPF             1

Kinda neat, eh? . Almost correct. . At the time I did the prediction (April 7), the whole Europa Transparant-party was still completely unknown, therefore I missed it. .

I am quite impressed. You probably did it better than most polling agencies. And yes Europa Transparant is needed. Denmark had a socialdemocrat (Freddy Blak) who spend a lot of his time in the EP fighting corruption, like Eurastat. Unfortunately he is leaving because of some controversy in PES, so as Gustav said "Good for van Buitenen" and good for the EU

[Umengus]

Yay! Europa Transparent got in!

Good for van Buitenen.

Now, the latest poll from Sweden:

SAP: 32.7%, 7 seats (+1)

M:     22.3%, 4 seats (-1)

V:     11.1%, 2 seats (-1)

FP:   10.1%, 2 seats (-1)

MP:    8.5%, 2 seats (0)

JL:      5.2%, 1 seat (+1)

C:       4.7%, 1 seat (0)

KD:     3.9%, 0 seats (-2)

Finally a poll that makes some sense! I'm gonna post a new one at midnight, when it comes out, but since SIFO, who conducted this one, is the only reliable institute, I'll go with them. June List is the only party with a clear positive trend, and I expect them to make further gains in the final days. KD is dead and I think C might well lose their footing as well. I certainly hope they do. SAP is gonna get hurt badly by turnout. I think they'll lose a seat and either M or JL will get that seat. I don't expect MP, FP or V to get anything but 2 seats. They're not going anywhere, IMHO.

Can you give signification (left, center, right,...) of SAP, V,... thanks! Thanks all for your participation! I'm happy to be on this forum!

[Gustaf]

Yay! Europa Transparent got in!

Good for van Buitenen.

Now, the latest poll from Sweden:

SAP: 32.7%, 7 seats (+1)

M:     22.3%, 4 seats (-1)

V:     11.1%, 2 seats (-1)

FP:   10.1%, 2 seats (-1)

MP:    8.5%, 2 seats (0)

JL:      5.2%, 1 seat (+1)

C:       4.7%, 1 seat (0)

KD:     3.9%, 0 seats (-2)

Finally a poll that makes some sense! I'm gonna post a new one at midnight, when it comes out, but since SIFO, who conducted this one, is the only reliable institute, I'll go with them. June List is the only party with a clear positive trend, and I expect them to make further gains in the final days. KD is dead and I think C might well lose their footing as well. I certainly hope they do. SAP is gonna get hurt badly by turnout. I think they'll lose a seat and either M or JL will get that seat. I don't expect MP, FP or V to get anything but 2 seats. They're not going anywhere, IMHO.

Can you give signification (left, center, right,...) of SAP, V,... thanks! Thanks all for your participation! I'm happy to be on this forum!

Sure.

Left:

SAP is the Swedish labour Party, the major left-of-centre party. Very pro-EU.

V is the socialist party, the major leftist party. Wants to leave the EU.

Right:

M is the major conservative party, though it used to be more libertarian than conservative. Now they're turning into moderate socioconservatives. Used to be very pro-EU. now trying to pose as EU-critics.

FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

KD are the Christian Democrats, who are VERY moderate compared to most other Christian Democrats in the world. Clearly pro-EU.

C is the party for agrarian and rural interests. Used to be very sceptical towards EUrope but are now born-again federalists.

Neither left or right, sort of:

MP, the greens in Sweden. They're really left-of-centre nowadays. Used to be completely opposed to the EU, but are now moderating their stand to favouring more centralization on taxes and not arguing for withdrawal from the EU anymore.

JL is a cross-political party that wants to remain a member of the EU, but reduce the centralization and take back most political powers to the individual memberstates.

[Jens]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

[Gustaf]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

[Jens]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

[Gustaf]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

Yes, I think so...then again, maybe not. The thing is, I don't fit in any party in Sweden.

What you say about immigration and politics is true, I'm not arguing that. My simple point is that for a party that is supposedly the standard bearer for tolerant, humane, wuzzy liberalism, all about being nice to everyone, it's a little strange to suddenly speak out against immigration. One of their slogans was "we say that which others don't dare to", classic racist talk. This is a party that has always argued in favour of a generous immigration policy and for civil rights rather than police authority. They are now in favour of bugging...now, I actually think they're right on a lot of issues, they're closer to me politically now than they used to be, I'm still to their right. But they've sold their soul to get votes, and I find that hard to like.  

[Jens]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

Yes, I think so...then again, maybe not. The thing is, I don't fit in any party in Sweden.

What you say about immigration and politics is true, I'm not arguing that. My simple point is that for a party that is supposedly the standard bearer for tolerant, humane, wuzzy liberalism, all about being nice to everyone, it's a little strange to suddenly speak out against immigration. One of their slogans was "we say that which others don't dare to", classic racist talk. This is a party that has always argued in favour of a generous immigration policy and for civil rights rather than police authority. They are now in favour of bugging...now, I actually think they're right on a lot of issues, they're closer to me politically now than they used to be, I'm still to their right. But they've sold their soul to get votes, and I find that hard to like.  

I fully agree and find it quite desturbing that clasically liberal parties change that much. In DK the Socialdemocrats have gone the same way. A party that used to base its existance on creating better possibilities for the poor (these days mainly immigrants and their descendants) are now calling them lasy and a threat to the Danish way- what ever that is.

[Gustaf]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

Yes, I think so...then again, maybe not. The thing is, I don't fit in any party in Sweden.

What you say about immigration and politics is true, I'm not arguing that. My simple point is that for a party that is supposedly the standard bearer for tolerant, humane, wuzzy liberalism, all about being nice to everyone, it's a little strange to suddenly speak out against immigration. One of their slogans was "we say that which others don't dare to", classic racist talk. This is a party that has always argued in favour of a generous immigration policy and for civil rights rather than police authority. They are now in favour of bugging...now, I actually think they're right on a lot of issues, they're closer to me politically now than they used to be, I'm still to their right. But they've sold their soul to get votes, and I find that hard to like.  

I fully agree and find it quite desturbing that clasically liberal parties change that much. In DK the Socialdemocrats have gone the same way. A party that used to base its existance on creating better possibilities for the poor (these days mainly immigrants and their descendants) are now calling them lasy and a threat to the Danish way- what ever that is.

We're beginning to ask ourselves what the heck you Danes are up to... You're freaking us out with your immigration policies.

I think the FP will end up in trouble, since 1 day they'll wake up and realize that they have no idelogical core. The only reason for their recent success is the weakness of other right-winged parties. With the conservatives now moving leftwards rapidly I see the FP beginning to lose ground. Most of their people are still uncharismatic bureacrats, just like in the good old days.

[Jens]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

Yes, I think so...then again, maybe not. The thing is, I don't fit in any party in Sweden.

What you say about immigration and politics is true, I'm not arguing that. My simple point is that for a party that is supposedly the standard bearer for tolerant, humane, wuzzy liberalism, all about being nice to everyone, it's a little strange to suddenly speak out against immigration. One of their slogans was "we say that which others don't dare to", classic racist talk. This is a party that has always argued in favour of a generous immigration policy and for civil rights rather than police authority. They are now in favour of bugging...now, I actually think they're right on a lot of issues, they're closer to me politically now than they used to be, I'm still to their right. But they've sold their soul to get votes, and I find that hard to like.  

I fully agree and find it quite desturbing that clasically liberal parties change that much. In DK the Socialdemocrats have gone the same way. A party that used to base its existance on creating better possibilities for the poor (these days mainly immigrants and their descendants) are now calling them lasy and a threat to the Danish way- what ever that is.

We're beginning to ask ourselves what the heck you Danes are up to... You're freaking us out with your immigration policies.

I think the FP will end up in trouble, since 1 day they'll wake up and realize that they have no idelogical core. The only reason for their recent success is the weakness of other right-winged parties. With the conservatives now moving leftwards rapidly I see the FP beginning to lose ground. Most of their people are still uncharismatic bureacrats, just like in the good old days.

Well I don't know what we are up to. Last election came as quite as a surprise to me. I never thougth that 13 % of my countrymen (and women) would vote for a openly racial party like Danish Peoples Party (Folkeparti again ) and added to that the fact that our government has based so much of its politics on DPP.
Lets see want happens to FP in the next years. 2006 is far away and perhaps M will rise again

[Gustaf]

Right:
FP is a socially liberal right-of-centre party that has taken a sharp turn towards opportunism, which in this case means fascism, in recent years. Fanatical federalists.

Come on, Gustav - calling FP for fascist is pushing it too far. It seems to me that the reason why they have been getting good result these last years is the combenation of a talentet and carismatic leader and a clear centre orientated policy. Those areas where Moderaterna have failed - but fascists, not even close to.

I didn't say they were fascists, only that they have moved towards fascism. They're going somewhere, and it's not conservatism and certainly not liberalism. I usually use the term in the hope that there will be FP-supporters nearby, since they turn red and very angry. Their campaign last election was focused on getting anti-immigrant votes and they mostly talk about the need for more police officers, curbing civil rights and keeping out immigrants nowadays.

Your last sentence is a somewhat crude and unfair, but still funny, joke. Charismatic? Centre-orientated? He's one of the most uncharismatic politicians in the country and FP has definitely moved right, a LOT.

I'm not sure that I would call that moving to the right. Take a look at Denmark. Nearly every party (exempt Unity List) talks about problems with immigrants and 2. generation immigrant and the picture is the same in most of Europe. It is, I think, a very undefined fear of a rapidly changing society that many people is having a hard time understanding and grasping. That fear is projected at easily identifiable groups like immigrant and simple demands like law and order. Focus is changing and I think FP is one of the parties that got it quickest (Not saying that I like it)

(PS included Moderaterna to wake you. I think I remember that you would vote for them if you could

Yes, I think so...then again, maybe not. The thing is, I don't fit in any party in Sweden.

What you say about immigration and politics is true, I'm not arguing that. My simple point is that for a party that is supposedly the standard bearer for tolerant, humane, wuzzy liberalism, all about being nice to everyone, it's a little strange to suddenly speak out against immigration. One of their slogans was "we say that which others don't dare to", classic racist talk. This is a party that has always argued in favour of a generous immigration policy and for civil rights rather than police authority. They are now in favour of bugging...now, I actually think they're right on a lot of issues, they're closer to me politically now than they used to be, I'm still to their right. But they've sold their soul to get votes, and I find that hard to like.  

I fully agree and find it quite desturbing that clasically liberal parties change that much. In DK the Socialdemocrats have gone the same way. A party that used to base its existance on creating better possibilities for the poor (these days mainly immigrants and their descendants) are now calling them lasy and a threat to the Danish way- what ever that is.

We're beginning to ask ourselves what the heck you Danes are up to... You're freaking us out with your immigration policies.

I think the FP will end up in trouble, since 1 day they'll wake up and realize that they have no idelogical core. The only reason for their recent success is the weakness of other right-winged parties. With the conservatives now moving leftwards rapidly I see the FP beginning to lose ground. Most of their people are still uncharismatic bureacrats, just like in the good old days.

Well I don't know what we are up to. Last election came as quite as a surprise to me. I never thougth that 13 % of my countrymen (and women) would vote for a openly racial party like Danish Peoples Party (Folkeparti again ) and added to that the fact that our government has based so much of its politics on DPP.
Lets see want happens to FP in the next years. 2006 is far away and perhaps M will rise again

We were a little shocked over here as well...

2006 will almost certainly see M rising and FP losing. Don't know how much though. The right as a whole will probably also be making gains, but I don't expect them to win. They so rarely do...

[Jens]

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We were a little shocked over here as well...

2006 will almost certainly see M rising and FP losing. Don't know how much though. The right as a whole will probably also be making gains, but I don't expect them to win. They so rarely do...

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Thats true. Sweden is much more lefty than Denmark's ever been. But let us see how the elections tomorrow goes. They could be a guiding light in Sweden and in Denmark (our election has to be helt before mid-november 2005 and will probably be helt before)

[CO-OWL]

Official result for Germany:

CDU/CSU 44,5/49 seats            ('99: 48,7/53)
SPD         21,5/23                      (30,7/33) Worst result ever in nationwide election since 1949
Greens    11,9/13                       (6,4/7) Best result
PDS           6,1/7                        (5,8/6)
FDP            6,1/7                        (3,0/0) Back in EU parliament
OTHER       9,9/0                        (5,8/0) All << 5% threshold

Turnout   43,0                         (45,2)

Main reason: discontent with SPD/(Green) government
                      voters want to punish Schröder/SPD

[M]

So did Viivi Avellan get elected?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

BBC is reporting an exit from France showing the UMP on 16.5%

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

You can watch the Euro elections live from BBC News 24:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/live/now1.ram

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

London is in... UKIP, Green, and LibDem each got 1 seat, Labor 3, Conservatives 3.  Conservatives beat Labour in the share of votes.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

All governing parties doing badly. Both Lab and Con doing badly. UKIP doing *very* well

[afleitch]

Im looking forward to Scotlands result- with our minority SNP (not THAT minority I know) and SSP parties joining UKIP and the Greens against the big 3. Labour should come first and the Tories may pip the SNP to second, depending on how the UKIP do. I hope the SSP do badly...but I know they won't...sigh. I'll come back to this topic when Scotland's results come in.