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« Reply #675 on: April 18, 2019, 10:59:55 AM »

I’m sorry, I have seemed to have forgotten it’s bad to do anything other than praise coups.

Yes. That's why normal people are outraged that Russia placed a patsy in the White House. Can you explain why coups are ok when Russia does it?
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« Reply #676 on: April 18, 2019, 11:00:03 AM »

A lot of redactions in the 1st one hundred pages of the report

https://imgur.com/a/uOPFCyq

In the final Appendix D, out of 11 transferred cases, two are redacted for ongoing investigation. Out of 14 referred cases, 12 are redacted for "Harm to Ongoing Matter".
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« Reply #677 on: April 18, 2019, 11:00:07 AM »

 The public already didn't believe Trump and now this report will reinforce this. This is very damaging for Trump. At best he was a dupe of a foreign conspiracy to undermine and influence our election, one that clearly supported him. There's a lot of actions and meetings that while not being able to prove how the Trump campaign knowingly and directly cooperated with Russian foreign intelligence agencies, are still very suspicious and worthy of a moral judgement.

 The obstruction investigation warrants further action. Trump should have been made to testify in person.

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« Reply #678 on: April 18, 2019, 11:01:17 AM »

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« Reply #679 on: April 18, 2019, 11:01:36 AM »

This is a pretty damning 'complete exoneration'.
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« Reply #680 on: April 18, 2019, 11:03:12 AM »



Collusion in plain sight.
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« Reply #681 on: April 18, 2019, 11:04:41 AM »

This is a pretty damning 'complete exoneration'.

It still amazes me how Trump fans parroted this talking point. The public was already damning, why would they think the report would clear him?
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« Reply #682 on: April 18, 2019, 11:05:55 AM »

2016 Presidential election -- made in Moscow.
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« Reply #683 on: April 18, 2019, 11:10:40 AM »

The State of New York is gonna crash down on him hard after he's done in office.
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« Reply #684 on: April 18, 2019, 11:10:53 AM »

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« Reply #685 on: April 18, 2019, 11:13:01 AM »

Has anyone read the report, if so, could you summarize it. I’m too lazy to read a 400+ page report
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« Reply #686 on: April 18, 2019, 11:13:13 AM »

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« Reply #687 on: April 18, 2019, 11:13:19 AM »

One big thing - where are you going to find an impartial jury for these people?
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« Reply #688 on: April 18, 2019, 11:15:09 AM »

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« Reply #689 on: April 18, 2019, 11:17:06 AM »

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« Reply #690 on: April 18, 2019, 11:18:17 AM »

A whole lot of the summaries of the potential areas of obstruction seem to reach the conclusion that hell yes, this was obstruction, if it were anybody but the president doing it. Especially the sections about firing Comey and trying to stop or impede the Special Counsel investigation.
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« Reply #691 on: April 18, 2019, 11:19:52 AM »

What are the chances that these contents of the Mueller report will make Trump so "angry" that he's gonna have further "episodes of obstruction"?
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« Reply #692 on: April 18, 2019, 11:20:02 AM »

Has anyone read the report, if so, could you summarize it. I’m too lazy to read a 400+ page report

My incomplete take is that whether or not there is enough evidence to charge anyone criminally (a standard on which I'll defer to the professionals), there is more than enough evidence of obstruction of justice to warrant Trump's removal from office. 
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« Reply #693 on: April 18, 2019, 11:20:32 AM »

This contradicts the idea that Russia never interfered in the election at all. There is more than enough evidence here to sanction Russia for violating our campaign finance laws. Foreign entities are not allowed to spend money in US elections.
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« Reply #694 on: April 18, 2019, 11:21:53 AM »



Isn't "Ignorantia juris non excusat" still a valid legal principle in this country?
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« Reply #695 on: April 18, 2019, 11:22:18 AM »

Has anyone read the report, if so, could you summarize it. I’m too lazy to read a 400+ page report
Trump knew about the Wikileaks hacking in advance along with Russia’s actions and kept in contact with them but because he can’t find evidence Trump coordinatedbtge hacking along with the law calls for quid pro quo which Mueller also couldn’t find he can’t prove collusion. Trump also tried on many occasions to get Mueller fired and was only stopped from doing so by Sessions’ and McGhan. Mueller ruled that this is Congress duty to rule on not his. So not the Trump is a spy hang him report resistance folks wanted but nowhere near a exoneration Trumpers wanted
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« Reply #696 on: April 18, 2019, 11:22:41 AM »

A lot of redactions in the 1st one hundred pages of the report

https://imgur.com/a/uOPFCyq

Yes, I was scrolling through it, and found one page entirely redacted, and multiple pages with more than half redacted, I only looked at the first 50 pages-or so
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« Reply #697 on: April 18, 2019, 11:23:43 AM »



Isn't "Ignorantia juris non excusat" still a valid legal principle in this country?

I think for conspiracy you have to willfully (knowingly) i tend to break the law.
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« Reply #698 on: April 18, 2019, 11:23:57 AM »

  Now we know why Trump never blames Russia and goes out of his way to name other countries, fat hackers, right-wing conspiracy theories instead...

 Also why he still acts like Putin's lapdog.
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« Reply #699 on: April 18, 2019, 11:24:44 AM »

Trump and his campaign colluded but did not conspire with the Russians.

However, Trump most definitely committed obstruction of justice.
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