Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Matty]

It all comes down to McCain:

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This was from 5 hours ago.

Pence is en route to the Capitol.

Isn't that a big hint?

[The Other Castro]

It all comes down to McCain:

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This was from 5 hours ago.

Pence is en route to the Capitol.

Isn't that a big hint?

They would be bringing him anyway just to be safe if they knew it was going to be a very close vote. But, I'm guessing they have 50 votes.

[Matty]

Gov Ducey coming out against it is a sign that mccain will vote no.

Why would the gov say that otherwise/

[Yank2133]

Welp, looks like Senate Republicans want to lock themselves into a position to be blackmailed by the House Republicans. On another note, if this does end up being passed by the House (even though Ryan pinky promised), the amount of disgusting precedent this process has set makes potentially passing something like single payer a lot easier in 2021.

This really does look like a stupid bill. It essentially leaves most of the main parts of Obamacare intact, will cause premiums to skyrocket, and uninsure millions of people. If they were going to pass something, why the  would they pass a turd like this

Because they are stupid.

The GOP backing terrible policy isn't new, but the political incompetence in all of this is astonishing.  

[Matty]

Anyone feel bad that these old geezers in the senate have to stay up this late to vote on this stuff?

Can't be good for health

[Comrade Funk]

Anyone feel bad that these old geezers in the senate have to stay up this late to vote on this stuff?

Can't be good for health

It's okay. We pay for their healthcare so it's all good.

[7,052,770]

Gov Ducey coming out against it is a sign that mccain will vote no.

Why would the gov say that otherwise/

Of course McCain will vote yes. There's no way he's going to pull off an epic troll job like that.

[Tartarus Sauce]

Welp, looks like Senate Republicans want to lock themselves into a position to be blackmailed by the House Republicans. On another note, if this does end up being passed by the House (even though Ryan pinky promised), the amount of disgusting precedent this process has set makes potentially passing something like single payer a lot easier in 2021.

This really does look like a stupid bill. It essentially leaves most of the main parts of Obamacare intact, will cause premiums to skyrocket, and uninsure millions of people. If they were going to pass something, why the  would they pass a turd like this

Because they've backed themselves into a corner and have no good outs. There is no long term victory for them here.

[Matty]

Gov Ducey coming out against it is a sign that mccain will vote no.

Why would the gov say that otherwise/

Of course McCain will vote yes. There's no way he's going to pull off an epic troll job like that.

Not to make light of it, but the dude has aggressive brain cancer.  He's at the "I don't give a flying sh**t what people think of me" stage.

[BudgieForce]

Capito is also an unknown vote right now.

[7,052,770]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

[Yank2133]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes.

It is pretty much the dumbest choice by Republicans. They aren't even getting much in terms of tax cuts out of this and on top of that they made it much easier for Democrats to sell a public/single payer option the next time they control the government.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Senator Enzi is kind of a douche.

[Dr. Arch]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

[Confused Democrat]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

[Tartarus Sauce]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The GOP, especially now with Trump as their figurehead, cares more now about the optics of ostensible victory over actual substantive victories. Such is the myopia that has infected the party. It's like watching a trainwreck happen in slow motion.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Senator Enzi is kind of a douche.

Especially in person!

[Gass3268]

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Expect blue states to do just that.

[Yank2133]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They get to campaign on having "repealed" ObamaCare and defunded PP.

I Also take this opportunity, if by some small chance a senator is reading this, to express my complete opposition to Skinny Repeal, which will kill 16 million people.

[Confused Democrat]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They'll get to say that they won and that they were able to do what everyone in the media establishment thought was impossible. They'll also get to say that they kept a major campaign promise, and they'll blame any of the catastrophic consequences of their bill on the Democrats.

[The Other Castro]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They get to campaign on having "repealed" ObamaCare and defunded PP.

I Also take this opportunity, if by some small chance a senator is reading this, to express my complete opposition to Skinny Repeal, which will kill 16 million people.

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and assume that no U.S. Senator is reading your post right now.

[Confused Democrat]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They'll get to say that they won and that they were able to do what everyone in the media establishment thought was impossible. They'll also get to say that they kept a major campaign promise, and they'll blame any of the catastrophic consequences of their bill on the Democrats.

Which the public won't blame Dems for tho. Cuz that's not how politics works

I 100% agree, which is why I think they're making a terrible political calculation.

[Yank2133]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They get to campaign on having "repealed" ObamaCare and defunded PP.

I Also take this opportunity, if by some small chance a senator is reading this, to express my complete opposition to Skinny Repeal, which will kill 16 million people.

What good is that when premiums skyrocket and Democrats can just point to GOP passing this bill (and bragging about it) as the problem?

They didn't get any major tax cuts from this or reshaped Medicaid. All they did was sabotage the private markets and took ownership for all of healthcare woes.
 
Honestly, it is mind-boggling how they sat their for eight years and didn't learn a single thing about what Democrats went through when they passed the ACA.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So, the skinny repeal preserves 95% of ObamaCare, doesn't get rid of the Medicaid expansion, or the exchanges or like, 95% of things ObamaCare does.

But it raises premiums 20% and kicks off 16 million people because of higher premiums. Do I have that right?

Yes. And most Republican senators  seem to be aware of that and will vote yes anyway

They're making a short term political calculation that will royally screw them in future elections.

The thing is I don't even get what the short-term benefits are from this.

They'll get to say that they won and that they were able to do what everyone in the media establishment thought was impossible. They'll also get to say that they kept a major campaign promise, and they'll blame any of the catastrophic consequences of their bill on the Democrats.

Which the public won't blame Dems for tho. Cuz that's not how politics works

How politics works is whoever can dominate the narrative wins. And democrats should aim to dominate the narrative by pointing out repeatedly that Skinny Repeal will kill 16 million people.