Democratic WV primary + NE fake contest results thread (1st polls close @7:30ET)

[mds32]

Any news on the turnout yet?

Apparently turnout is high in Charleston, but early and absentee voting was also quite high. Come on, time for a CLINTON UPSET!

The Democrats are also having a big Democratic Primary for Governor. So the Charleston establishment types may be coming out for that race too.

[Xing]

So...why is Nebraska holding a beauty contest when we already have Bernie with the W there?

Because some state parties seem to like throwing money out the window. Washington is holding one too.

[cinyc]

So...why is Nebraska holding a beauty contest when we already have Bernie with the W there?

Because some state parties seem to like throwing money out the window. Washington is holding one too.

Most of the later states like Nebraska are holding their regularly scheduled full primaries at this time.  There is more on the Nebraska (and West Virginia) ballot than just the Presidential race.  That the Democratic Party of Nebraska decided to hold a caucus earlier to increase their influence in the race is irrelevant to whether today's primary would have been held.

[Eraserhead]

If the early exit info is accurate, Clinton is going to be vaporized.

[Fusionmunster]

If the early exit info is accurate, Clinton is going to be vaporized.

As expected, still early voting is high which scewed exit polls in Indiana.

[Xing]

If the early exit info is accurate, Clinton is going to be vaporized.

Do you have any links?

[The Other Castro]

Coal workers: The state's depressed coal industry is a key reason for its economic woes. Three in 10 West Virginia Democratic primary voters in preliminary exit poll results say they live in a household with a coal worker. Clinton’s gaffe about creating jobs “because we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” makes this a group worth watching as vote results become available.

Race: Whites account for more than nine in 10 West Virginia Democratic primary voters in preliminary exit poll results, far above the 61 percent they’ve averaged across the 2016 Democratic primaries. In previous contests, whites have voted 50-48 percent, Sanders-Clinton, vs. 71-28 percent Clinton-Sanders among nonwhites.

Gender: Sanders has done much better with men than women in previous primaries and it’s helped Clinton tremendously that women have outnumbered men by 58-42 percent overall. Not so in preliminary exit poll results in West Virginia, in which men and women are essentially evenly divided.

Party: Political independents, another group that’s been much better for Sanders in previous races, account for a third of voters in preliminary exit poll results, well above the average to date, 22 percent.

Obama: Only a quarter of Democratic primary voters in West Virginia want the next president to continue Obama’s policies, a strong group for Clinton to date; that’s down from 54 percent on average in previous contests this year. An additional quarter wants more liberal policies, a group that’s voted just as strongly for Sanders, and more than four in 10 want less liberal policies, more than three times more than the average this year, and a group that’s narrowly favored Sanders in past contests.

Qualities: Roughly six in 10 voters in preliminary exit poll results say honesty or empathy are most important to their vote; they’ve been more likely to support Sanders (especially honesty voters) to date. Fewer than four in 10 instead call electability or experience most important, voters among whom Clinton’s dominated. Honesty/empathy voters are outnumbering those focused on experience/electability by a bigger margin than usual in West Virginia.

Vote in November: In one last notable result, about a third of Democratic voters in preliminary exit poll results say that, given a Clinton-Donald Trump or a Sanders-Trump race, they’d vote for Trump. That’s a high level of support for Trump among Democratic primary voters; one reason is that West Virginia Democratic voters are among least liberal so far this year. Fewer than half say they’re liberals, vs. an average of 62 percent in previous Democratic contests.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

IceSpear and xingkerui talk about West Virginia the way 1980s Tory hacks talked about Derbyshire.

[The Other Castro]

Yeah Clinton's probably not breaking 40% with these numbers.

[Fusionmunster]

Yeah Clinton's probably not breaking 40% with these numbers.

Those 3 in 10 democrats voting for Trump number makes me wonder how high the other dem candidates are going to get tonight.

[Eraserhead]

Yeah Clinton's probably not breaking 40% with these numbers.

It does sound like there will be a significant protest vote against both Clinton and Sanders too.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The Nebraska "primary" is just a gigantic waste of time and funds. If you want to have a primary, then get rid of the caucus and have a biding primary. Otherwise just stick to the caucus.

[The Other Castro]

Ummm....

9% of Clinton voters would back Trump over Clinton
39% of Sanders voters would back Trump over Sanders

Looks like we may have some Trump supporters causing shenanigans in WV.

[RI]

Ummm....

9% of Clinton voters would back Trump over Clinton
39% of Sanders voters would back Trump over Sanders

Looks like we may have some Trump supporters causing shenanigans in WV.

More like a closed primary with lots of conservadems

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

IceSpear and xingkerui talk about West Virginia the way 1980s Tory hacks talked about Derbyshire.

I'm pretty sure IceSpear did not mind WV voting overwhelmingly for Hillary over Obama in 2008, just as he probably didn't mind her winning Oklahoma.

[Eraserhead]

Ummm....

9% of Clinton voters would back Trump over Clinton
39% of Sanders voters would back Trump over Sanders

Looks like we may have some Trump supporters causing shenanigans in WV.

More like a closed primary with lots of conservadems

It's only semi-closed.

[cinyc]

The Nebraska "primary" is just a gigantic waste of time and funds. If you want to have a primary, then get rid of the caucus and have a biding primary. Otherwise just stick to the caucus.

Again, Nebraska is holding a full primary with other offices on the ballot.  It costs virtually nothing to include the presidential race on the ballot with the other offices. 

The arguable waste of funds is the Nebraska caucus, but the party thought it was worth the cost of holding an early caucus to get more influence in the Democratic primary.

[The Other Castro]

1/2 of Sanders voters would back Trump over Clinton.

[Xing]

Ummm....

9% of Clinton voters would back Trump over Clinton
39% of Sanders voters would back Trump over Sanders

Looks like we may have some Trump supporters causing shenanigans in WV.

Huh? Are you sure that's not a typo, and that it shouldn't be 9% of Clinton voters backing Trump over Sanders and 39% of Sanders voters backing Trump over Clinton?

[Maxwell]

I'm actually not that surprised that there is a high percentage of Sanders voters that would vote Trump in the general election - they are kind of stuck in the Democratic primary and as a result voting for their own "lesser of two bads" (and Clinton had that gaffe were she was honest about what would have to happen in West Virginia).

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I voted for Sanders today! But....I will vote for TRUMP over Sanders in the fall!

Makes total sense right...unless they're protest conservadems.

[RI]

Ummm....

9% of Clinton voters would back Trump over Clinton
39% of Sanders voters would back Trump over Sanders

Looks like we may have some Trump supporters causing shenanigans in WV.

Huh? Are you sure that's not a typo, and that it shouldn't be 9% of Clinton voters backing Trump over Sanders and 39% of Sanders voters backing Trump over Clinton?

Not a typo

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I voted for Sanders today! But....I will vote for TRUMP over Sanders in the fall!

Makes total sense right...unless they're protest conservadems.

Of course they're protest conservadems.

[Adam Griffin]

1/2 of Sanders voters would back Trump over Clinton.

And now the uninformed Hillary Hacks on FB are going to be screaming about this and saying "SHENANIGANS! PARTY-CRASHING!"...and I'm going to have to type multi-paragraph responses whenever I see it. In fact, I should get on that and save it so I can just copy/paste...

[Xing]

Only 27% of voters want to continue Obama's policies. Ouch.