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« Reply #550 on: December 11, 2018, 01:49:03 PM »



Somehow jimrtex and Bagel are going to bury their heads in the sand still
Well obviously we can't trust the NCGOP when they call for a new election due to election fraud. They've been accused of election fraud!
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« Reply #551 on: December 11, 2018, 08:17:40 PM »

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« Reply #552 on: December 11, 2018, 09:22:41 PM »

If the GOP is caving you know it's worse than what has been revealed.
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« Reply #553 on: December 11, 2018, 10:27:03 PM »

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« Reply #554 on: December 12, 2018, 12:00:09 AM »



But Bagel keeps telling me that not enough votes were involved to put the outcome in doubt!
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« Reply #555 on: December 12, 2018, 12:05:34 AM »

I still think there weren't enough votes imo but it's clear that it is now definitely within the margin of error that it affected the margin.
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« Reply #556 on: December 12, 2018, 02:17:44 AM »

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« Reply #557 on: December 12, 2018, 03:02:20 AM »

Not sure if it's been posted, but the NC GOP is already working to change the law to allow a primary in an election redo. Such a situation currently only runs the general election again, but they want to dump Harris, so as usual, the GOP immediately changes the rules to get their way. Not that they are wrong here imo, but they do this for everything, not just serious situations like this. It's actually quite fascinating how little they care about the actual system we live under. All that matters is that they control it:

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« Reply #558 on: December 12, 2018, 03:04:57 AM »

Has Trump tweeted a single time about the massive, substantiated election fraud going on in NC?

Or does he only care about fake news election fraud against Republicans?

Real question.
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« Reply #559 on: December 12, 2018, 04:42:26 AM »

Has Trump tweeted a single time about the massive, substantiated election fraud going on in NC?

Or does he only care about fake news election fraud against Republicans?

Real question.

I am sure you know the answer...
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« Reply #560 on: December 12, 2018, 06:14:41 AM »

A new primary may actually be a good idea, given the anomalies there and the close margin that result is also questionable.
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« Reply #561 on: December 12, 2018, 06:29:53 AM »

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« Reply #562 on: December 12, 2018, 08:14:59 AM »

A new primary may actually be a good idea, given the anomalies there and the close margin that result is also questionable.

I agree with this.  Since the primary result is also questionable, a new primary would be the fairest thing for the voters of the district.  Yeah, the NCGOP is probably doing it for partisan reasons, but sometimes people end up doing good things even from poor motivations (the flip side is also true, sometimes they do bad things from good motivations). 
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« Reply #563 on: December 12, 2018, 10:53:08 AM »

Funny line in CNN story on NC-09:

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« Reply #564 on: December 12, 2018, 04:24:13 PM »

A new primary may actually be a good idea, given the anomalies there and the close margin that result is also questionable.

I agree with this.  Since the primary result is also questionable, a new primary would be the fairest thing for the voters of the district.  Yeah, the NCGOP is probably doing it for partisan reasons, but sometimes people end up doing good things even from poor motivations (the flip side is also true, sometimes they do bad things from good motivations). 

There is a rule of law issue about changing the rules while the game is ongoing. I agree that this change is needed but it still shouldn't apply to retroactively to this election.
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« Reply #565 on: December 12, 2018, 04:59:54 PM »

There is a rule of law issue about changing the rules while the game is ongoing. I agree that this change is needed but it still shouldn't apply to retroactively to this election.

If Cooper vetoes it, and I think that is possible and maybe even likely due to the changes to the ethics board, he has 10-30 days to veto it, depending on whether they adjourn the special session. So Cooper could waste time and if the SBOE calls for a new election before then, I'm not sure the courts would allow the legislature to change the rules after the fact (INAL obv)
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« Reply #566 on: December 12, 2018, 05:06:43 PM »

If I recall correctly, the governor of North Carolina cannot veto proposed legislation.
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« Reply #567 on: December 12, 2018, 05:16:14 PM »

If I recall correctly, the governor of North Carolina cannot veto proposed legislation.

He can veto things, it's just until January, the General Assembly can override him since Republicans have a super-majority. However Cooper can still technically veto it after waiting the maximum amount of time he has to consider bills.
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« Reply #568 on: December 12, 2018, 05:38:48 PM »

OK.  Thanks.
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« Reply #569 on: December 12, 2018, 06:21:03 PM »

Why would Cooper veto that outside of blatant partisan motivation though? There always should’ve been a rerun of the primary in such an instance.
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« Reply #570 on: December 12, 2018, 09:00:25 PM »

Why would Cooper veto that outside of blatant partisan motivation though? There always should’ve been a rerun of the primary in such an instance.

The primary stuff is only one part of a larger bill, iirc. Other parts include the legislature 5th attempt at taking away ethics board control from the governor (notable as one or both GA leaders appear to have ethics problems), trying to change how the judicial panels for redistricting cases are picked (to align with their judicial district gerrymandering of course), and no doubt other last-minute power grabs.
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« Reply #571 on: December 13, 2018, 08:51:33 PM »

Harris personally directed Dowless' hiring despite warnings that he may have used fraud in 2016. They interacted regularly during the primary according to a former Dowless associate, and said associate claims Dowless and Harris spoke often about the "program."
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« Reply #572 on: December 13, 2018, 08:58:25 PM »

Harris personally directed Dowless' hiring despite warnings that he may have used fraud in 2016. They interacted regularly during the primary according to a former Dowless associate, and said associate claims Dowless and Harris spoke often about the "program."

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP.
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« Reply #573 on: December 14, 2018, 12:33:27 AM »

Harris personally directed Dowless' hiring despite warnings that he may have used fraud in 2016. They interacted regularly during the primary according to a former Dowless associate, and said associate claims Dowless and Harris spoke often about the "program."

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP.

Harris's fellow North Carolina Republicans should push him off the pier at Cape Hatteras for (probably) blowing a seat that they would've won with Pittenger as the nominee.
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« Reply #574 on: December 14, 2018, 01:30:48 AM »

Harris personally directed Dowless' hiring despite warnings that he may have used fraud in 2016. They interacted regularly during the primary according to a former Dowless associate, and said associate claims Dowless and Harris spoke often about the "program."

...OK, he's in real trouble.
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