The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III

[Paul Kemp]

Cops are more often than not terrible, and change will only come when the public begins to view them as such.

I dreaded the day Sagestalker would discover RAtM.

[rejectamenta]

Nothing says revolution like Sony Music Entertainment, after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17KKBg_jFuk

[Morning in Atlas]

Wow, this story made me cry. I wouldn't be surprised if they got the death penalty. When will the racism in this country end?

It will end when it becomes economically unproductive to engage in such behavior.  As long as people feel they gain economically to act this way they will continue to do so.  If I as an economic entity say I refuse to engage in economic activity with group X they must think it is to their benefit.  Once they realize it is to their economic loss to do so they will stop.

[tik 🪀✨]

jaichind makes me want to punch a baby

[minionofmidas]

jaichind makes me want to punch a baby

You would only do that if it were economically productive to engage in such behavior.

People do things that they want to and that are economically productive to them but that they know or should know or used to know are wrong. All the effing time.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Sorry Carl, but this was a black mark on the 2000s decade.

I would be so proud if emos were remembered as a top thing about the 2000s.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Jaichind has a point, but only in theory. In predominantly racist areas, it will continue regardless if it is "economically unproductive”. If a “whites only” store opened in a place like San Francisco, it will be out of business in months.

That being said, I still believe in freedom of association, though the story involving the black shoppers in Manhatten has more to do with stop and frisk than institutionalized racism in a department store, so Jaichind’s point is rather moot.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

Sorry Carl, but this was a black mark on the 2000s decade.

I would be so proud if emos were remembered as a top thing about the 2000s.

Literal black

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Sorry Carl, but this was a black mark on the 2000s decade.

I would be so proud if emos were remembered as a top thing about the 2000s.

Literal black

Touche.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

Context:

Both are very stable Christian parents who put God first. I have a lot of admiration and respect for them.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

[Hifly]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

Is there anything specific about my post that irks you?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

Is there anything specific about my post that irks you?

Mostly the racism and the implication that children of certain ethnic groups should be removed from their families.

[H. Ross Peron]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

Is there anything specific about my post that irks you?

Mostly the racism and the implication that children of certain ethnic groups should be removed from their families.

The operative word is "tribal", which hifly15 intended to use to refer to Gypsies and Travellers who practice the nomadic lifestyle, I presume he has no objections to settled populations.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

Is there anything specific about my post that irks you?

Mostly the racism and the implication that children of certain ethnic groups should be removed from their families.

The operative word is "tribal", which hifly15 intended to use to refer to Gypsies and Travellers who practice the nomadic lifestyle, I presume he has no objections to settled populations.

That...really doesn't make it much better. The phrase 'backward culture which must modernize' is just awful.

[President Tyrion]

Children ought to have a better upbringing than under a tribal Roma or Irish Traveller family.
The lack of concern among many families for the educational development of their children is a horrific indication of a backward culture which must modernise.

Is there anything specific about my post that irks you?

Mostly the racism and the implication that children of certain ethnic groups should be removed from their families.

The operative word is "tribal", which hifly15 intended to use to refer to Gypsies and Travellers who practice the nomadic lifestyle, I presume he has no objections to settled populations.

That...really doesn't make it much better. The phrase 'backward culture which must modernize' is just awful.

Sounds like an argument straight out of African occupation

[Hifly]

When there are free and sufficient educational facilities available for your children and you refuse to allow them to take part in it then you are a backward people. Kids dont deserve that in the 21st century. This principle also applies to non-Roma families who practice this.
That includes the Amish.

[DC Al Fine]

When there are free and sufficient educational facilities available for your children and you refuse to allow them to take part in it then you are a backward people. Kids dont deserve that in the 21st century. This principle also applies to non-Roma families who practice this.
That includes the Amish.

Thanks for posting directly to the Deluge. It saves us all a lot of time.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

When there are free and sufficient educational facilities available for your children and you refuse to allow them to take part in it then you are a backward people. Kids dont deserve that in the 21st century. This principle also applies to non-Roma families who practice this.
That includes the Amish.

So does this include homeschoolers (for example), or just families from ethnic and religious groups of which you disapprove?

[Hifly]

This applies to cultures, of which Irish Travellers and Roma are probably most guilty of, where sufficient educational development is denied to many children despite it being available and accessible.
I'm surprised at the lack of concern individuals here have for kids getting an education.

Religious education doesn't count.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

It's not that we're unconcerned about the children's education, it's that we're also concerned about the cultures' ways of life and don't think that you--or any of us, really--are in any position whatsoever to categorically define those ways of life as 'backward'. One might say that groups like the Roma and the Travellers ought to ensure that their children have access to the educational resources of the broader culture and advocate for policies to make that possible, without forcing these groups to change their cultures more than is necessary to accomplish whatever standard of access is set (and certainly without forcing them to abandon the traditional manners in which they do educate their children). That's a reasonable, not inherently racist or culturally supremacist position to take. But that is not how policy towards these groups has historically generally worked.

I don't really think it's worth getting into how you say 'religious education doesn't count' immediately after specifically including the Amish, who raise their children the way they do because of their nature as a religious group.

[Hifly]

One might say that groups like the Roma and the Travellers ought to ensure that their children have access to the educational resources of the broader culture and advocate for policies to make that possible, without forcing these groups to change their cultures more than is necessary to accomplish whatever standard of access is set (and certainly without forcing them to abandon the traditional manners in which they do educate their children).

That's basically a slightly more sympathetic version of my position; I believe that education, as one of the most basic human rights, must be provided to children, regardless of what culture they belong to. It is completely unacceptable for parents to withdraw their children from school (which is exactly what Roma and Irish Traveller families are guilty of, believe it or not) and this has to change.
An important point to make is that sustaining an education for these children does not "force these groups to change their cultures more than is necessary to accomplish whatever standard of access is set" because these facilities are accessible and free. If "backward" is an inappropriate description of those who practice this, then "selfish" may be a better word.
This is also to blame for the ultra-high unemployment rates of Irish travellers and Roma, which results in such awful cases of poverty and crime within communities, which I'm sure you're aware of.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

One might say that groups like the Roma and the Travellers ought to ensure that their children have access to the educational resources of the broader culture and advocate for policies to make that possible, without forcing these groups to change their cultures more than is necessary to accomplish whatever standard of access is set (and certainly without forcing them to abandon the traditional manners in which they do educate their children).

That's basically a slightly more sympathetic version of my position; I believe that education, as one of the most basic human rights, must be provided to children, regardless of what culture they belong to. It is completely unacceptable for parents to withdraw their children from school (which is exactly what Roma and Irish Traveller families are guilty of, believe it or not) and this has to change.

So we shouldn't allow homeschooling? You did just say that "religious education doesn't count", no? And why does education have to be your specific brand of education?

[Hifly]

Homeschooling is fine so long as it provides children with an equally sufficient and adequate educational development as is provided in schools. This doesn't nullify my point.

[Gass3268]

Dude is a total troll, but still:

Illegal for whites in all cases, Forced abortion for Minorities.