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Bandit3 the Worker
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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This "issue" is the filthiest race-baiting I've seen in years, quite frankly.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.
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i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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Quote from: Don Edwards Revivalist on May 07, 2012, 08:36:12 am
i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.
Lynch or McGovern wouldn't be able to beat Brown. They're about as untested as Warren without any of her positives.
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Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 07, 2012, 02:11:46 am
She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.
What a victory for the Warren campaign!
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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Quote from: Don Edwards Revivalist on May 07, 2012, 08:36:12 am
i was never a big fan of Warren in the first place. She just strikes me as a caricature of a neurotic female pol similar to someone like Bella Abzug. The democrats should have found a less foot-in-mouth candidate like Lynch or McGovern.
Lynch is pro-life, McGovern is Fidel Castro and FARC's #1 US fan.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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Quote from: Bandit3 the Worker on May 07, 2012, 02:03:12 am
This "issue" is the filthiest race-baiting I've seen in years, quite frankly.
Indeed it is and no less from the campaign of a "moderate".
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Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 07, 2012, 11:48:22 am
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 07, 2012, 02:11:46 am
She's been found to be at least 1/32 Cherokee. Scott Brown must know that the real issues are losers when he's a pawn of Wall Street and she's not.
What a victory for the Warren campaign!
I think most voters will care more about things like Brown voting down the Buffet Rule than this nonsense.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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May 07, 2012, 12:21:14 pm »
Quote from: Bandit3 the Worker on May 07, 2012, 02:03:12 am
This "issue" is the filthiest race-baiting I've seen in years, quite frankly.
I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?
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Bandit3 the Worker
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Quote from: Oakvale on May 07, 2012, 12:21:14 pm
I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?
How is it not race-baiting? They had no reason to think Warren was lying about her ancestry, yet they claimed (with no basis whatsoever) she was using her ancestry to win preferences.
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Quote from: Bandit3 the Worker on May 07, 2012, 12:24:30 pm
Quote from: Oakvale on May 07, 2012, 12:21:14 pm
I think this is certainly a stupid issue and I hope it disappears rapidly, but how on earth is it "race-baiting"?
How is it not race-baiting? They had no reason to think Warren was lying about her ancestry, yet they claimed (with no basis whatsoever) she was using her ancestry to win preferences.
Claiming 1/32 American Indian ancestry as conferring minority status
is
legitimately disingenuous, though, and it's one of the few genuine negatives that I perceive in Warren. It's just that I don't see it as a particularly major
issue
considering where she comes from, where Brown comes from, and what this election is about.
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It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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May 07, 2012, 10:07:12 pm »
Quote from: brittain33 on May 07, 2012, 04:47:09 pm
It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.
Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.
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Quote from: Torie on May 07, 2012, 10:07:12 pm
Quote from: brittain33 on May 07, 2012, 04:47:09 pm
It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.
Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.
Torie, Scott Brown is a Republican. They have to say that he is race baiting!
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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May 08, 2012, 03:06:39 am »
Scott Brown is, unsurprisingly, still trying to keep this story going:
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Returning to the Capitol on Monday evening, the Massachusetts Republican was asked about Warren's rationale to list herself as a minority law teacher from 1986 to 1995.
"The bottom line is: You guys have asked a lot of serious questions and she needs to answer the questions. It's pretty simple," Brown told POLITICO.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/05/brown-to-warren-answer-the-questions-122715.html
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U.S. Sen. Scott Brown demanded that Elizabeth Warren release her law school applications and personnel files today, saying questions about Warren’s Native American heritage mean she must answer, “whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a professor.”
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20220508brown_calls_on_warren_to_reveal_law_school_records/srvc=home&position=0
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Bandit3 the Worker
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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The Boston Herald is as guilty as Scott Brown is, quite frankly. This behavior is completely unbecoming of a supposedly mainstream paper.
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Quote from: Torie on May 07, 2012, 10:07:12 pm
Quote from: brittain33 on May 07, 2012, 04:47:09 pm
It's race-baiting because it's invoking a backlash against affirmative action.
Or it is just a calling out of false and misleading conduct rank with dishonesty, and disingenuousness. If that renders one vulnerable to being b slapped by the race card, that is really sad state of affairs. But, no pain, no gain. If that is the price, so be it. Courage.
Consider the possibility that both are at work here.
Some people were genuinely appalled at Rev. Wright, some people also saw the possibility to scare a certain segment of the population. With the Boston Herald, they have quite a track record on issues like this.
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RogueBeaver
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May 08, 2012, 10:03:33 am »
My own opinion:
The controversy itself is a COTD with little if any staying power. Real lesson is that Team Warren still has some lessons to learn in rapid response and tactical messaging. This race will be won on 2 things: how well blue-collar Democrats receive their microtargeted messages from both candidates 2) GOTV. Everything else is so much background noise.
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May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 pm »
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/
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Quote from: BeccaM on May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 pm
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/
LOL!
So her 1/32 phony heritage was actually not Native American but a dude who actively hurt Native Americans.
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Quote from: BeccaM on May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 pm
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/
LOL!
Assuming some degree of Indian blood is legit, which is certainly possible if not in any of the ways that people appear to have been claiming, this reminds me a little of how there is an entire fraternal organization for people who have both Patriot and Loyalist ancestors (and there are quite a few such people; it's inevitable if enough branches of your family have been in America for long enough).
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It's dishonesty, plain and simple.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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Quote from: BeccaM on May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 pm
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/
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Not implicated in a criminal sense, since he was involved as part of his duties as a member of the TN militia.
He married O. C. Sarah Smith in 1819
. It might be she was a Cherokee who identified herself as white to cause her and her family less trouble, but her son knew her to be Cherokee. That would be interesting.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren's "Pocahontas" Problem?
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Quote from: phk on May 08, 2012, 04:40:20 pm
Quote from: BeccaM on May 08, 2012, 03:52:40 pm
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-shares-lineage-with-militia-member-implicated-in-run-up-to-trail-of-tears/
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So her 1/32 phony heritage was actually not Native American but a dude who actively hurt Native Americans.
The status of her other ancestors doesn't mean that she's not 1/32 Native American. Obama didn't stop being 1/2 black because he had white ancestors who owned black slaves.
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BOSTON -- Records show that the leading Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts identified her race as "white" on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students.
The records on Elizabeth Warren were obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Warren's heritage has been under scrutiny after it surfaced that she had listed herself as having Native American heritage in law school directories.
[...]
On the Rutgers application, Warren wrote "No" in response to the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?"
Warren graduated from Rutgers in 1976.
On a personnel file from the University of Texas, Warren checked the box "White" when asked to select "the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify."
The categories included a box for "American Indian or Alaska Native," which Warren did not check.
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