$1.5 Trillion GOP Tax Cut Thread

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Motion fails 186-233. Will post vote summary when avaliable.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Vote was party line, with the following members not voting:

Barton
Beatty
Bridenstine
Conyers
DeSantis
Flores
Gutiérrez
Kennedy
Pocan
Quigley
Renacci
Ruppersberger
Scott, Austin
Walz

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll654.xml

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

These are the members of the conference committee from the House of Representatives:

Republicans: Brady (TX), Nunes, Roskam, Black, Noem, Walden, Shimkus, Bishop (UT), Young (AK)
Democrats: Neal, Levin, Doggett, Castor (FL), Grijalva

The Senate will appoint members to the conference later this week.

[Matty]

Does the senate vote for a conference committee as well?

[mvd10]

I don't think it's healthy for Roskam to be so heavily involved in this tax reform plan. I thought he was too entrenched to lose (he won 60-40 even though Clinton won), but this tax plan probably is unpopular in his district and it might cost him his reelection.

[jaichind]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/business/economy/tax-bill-new-york.html

"Even if most rich New Yorkers stay put, local politicians could find it harder to raise taxes to pay for services. Mr. de Blasio, for example, has called for a tax on millionaires to help fix the city’s subway system. Mr. Murphy, the New Jersey governor-elect, wants a similar tax for public schools.

Without the state and local tax deduction, those plans could face more opposition. Already, top Democratic lawmakers in New Jersey have hinted they might back away from supporting Mr. Murphy’s millionaire tax if the deduction is repealed."

This plan to get rid of SALT deductions is having the affect I was hoping for.

[jaichind]

Speaking of NY, NY state real estate taxes has a provision that you can pay part of the amount owned the next year in the current year.  I already told all my friends to pay off in 2017 that they are allowed to pre pay from 2018 so they can get the tax deduction which will be net effect gone in 2018 (all of them have real estate taxes way higher than the 10K limit.)  Frankly at this stage Cuomo should make a public service announcement calling for all real estate tax payers in NY state to pre pay their real estate taxes from 2018 that they are allowed to.

[GlobeSoc]

Jaichind is a short sighted sociopath. He'd destroy a homeless shelter if he could build profitable luxury apartments on top of the ruins.

[Sestak]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/business/economy/tax-bill-new-york.html

"Even if most rich New Yorkers stay put, local politicians could find it harder to raise taxes to pay for services. Mr. de Blasio, for example, has called for a tax on millionaires to help fix the city’s subway system. Mr. Murphy, the New Jersey governor-elect, wants a similar tax for public schools.

Without the state and local tax deduction, those plans could face more opposition. Already, top Democratic lawmakers in New Jersey have hinted they might back away from supporting Mr. Murphy’s millionaire tax if the deduction is repealed."

This plan to get rid of SALT deductions is having the affect I was hoping for.

No schools for poor people. Exactly the effect (not "affect") I was hoping for.

[BudgieForce]

A bunch of affluent blue staters are gonna get screwed and move to swing states. Good job GOP.

[Sestak]

A bunch of affluent blue staters are gonna get screwed and move to swing states. Good job GOP.

Affluent *liberal* blue staters, too.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Person Man]

A bunch of affluent blue staters are gonna get screwed and move to swing states. Good job GOP.

Affluent *liberal* blue staters, too.

I hope they move to Florida.

[BudgieForce]

A bunch of affluent blue staters are gonna get screwed and move to swing states. Good job GOP.

Affluent *liberal* blue staters, too.

I hope they move to Florida.

Florida and North Carolina seen to be the go moving destinations in my experience.

[The Dowager Mod]

Looks like Ryan stuck a knife in Susan Collins back LOL.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/363306-ryans-office-warning-he-wasnt-part-of-deal-on-obamacare-source

[GeorgiaModerate]

Looks like Ryan stuck a knife in Susan Collins back LOL.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/363306-ryans-office-warning-he-wasnt-part-of-deal-on-obamacare-source

Surely Collins can't be naive enough to think they'd honor this deal. 

[Yank2133]

Looks like Ryan stuck a knife in Susan Collins back LOL.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/363306-ryans-office-warning-he-wasnt-part-of-deal-on-obamacare-source

Surely Collins can't be naive enough to think they'd honor this deal. 

She is not.

Collins knew this was going to happen. She is going to act shocked that this happened and shift blame to the house.

[junior chįmp]

Looks like Ryan stuck a knife in Susan Collins back LOL.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/363306-ryans-office-warning-he-wasnt-part-of-deal-on-obamacare-source

Surely Collins can't be naive enough to think they'd honor this deal. 

She is not.

Collins knew this was going to happen. She is going to act shocked that this happened and shift blame to the house.

This is like when she came out against Betsy DeVos after being the deciding vote that sent her out of the committee lol

[BudgieForce]

Collins did say she wasn't a yes on the final bill. Collins + Corker + = Failed bill.

[Brittain33]

Collins did say she wasn't a yes on the final bill. Collins + Corker + = Failed bill.

= House passing the Senate bill

[BudgieForce]

Collins did say she wasn't a yes on the final bill. Collins + Corker + = Failed bill.

= House passing the Senate bill

I'd argue that the freedom caucus could derail that notion.

[Sestak]

Collins did say she wasn't a yes on the final bill. Collins + Corker + = Failed bill.

= House passing the Senate bill

I'd argue that the freedom caucus could derail that notion.

Actually, it's the gaffe on corporate AMT that Wulfric mentioned a few days ago. That's what makes that mistake so significant: The House WILL NOT pass the Senate bill.

[Sestak]

You know, I just thought of something.

How much more entertaining would the Senate be if they went by the "Trump Convention" and started naming members by first names (including nicknames)?

We'd be able to have a roll call that sounds like this:

"Al"
"Amy"
"Angus"
"Ben from Maryland"
"Ben from Nebraska"
"Bernie"
"Bob from Pennsylvania"
"Bob from Tennessee"
"Bob from New Jersey"
"Bill from Louisiana"
"Brian"
"Catherine"
"Chris from Delaware"
"Chris from Connecticut"
"Chris from Maryland"
"Chuck from Iowa"
"Chuck from New York"
"Claire"
"Cory from New Jersey"
"Cory from Colorado"
"Dan"
"David"
"Deb from Nebraska"
"Debbie from Michigan"
"Dean"
"Dianne"
"Dick from Illinois"
"Ed from Massachusetts"
"Gary"
"Heidi"
"Jack from Rhode Island"
"James L. from Oklahoma"
"Jeanne"
"Jeff from Arizona"
"Jeff from Oregon"
"Jerry"
"Jim I. from Oklahoma"
"Jim from Idaho"
"Joe from Indiana"
"Joe from West Virginia"
"Johnny from Georgia"
"John from Wyoming"
"John from Arkansas"
"John from Texas"
"John from North Dakota"
"John from Louisiana"
"John from Arizona"
"John from South Dakota"
"Jon from Montana"
"Joni"
"Kamala"
"Kirsten"
"Lamar
"Lindsey"
"Lisa"
"Liz"
"Maggie"
"Mark"
"Martin"
"Mazie"
"Michael from Colorado"
"Mike from Idaho"
"Mike from Wyoming"
"Mike from Utah"
"Mike from South Dakota"
"Mitch"
"Orrin"
"Pat from Vermont"
"Pat from Kansas"
"Pat from Pennsylvania"
"Patty from Washington"
"Rand"
"Richard from Connecticut"
"Richard from North Carolina"
"Richard from Alabama"
"Rob from Ohio"
"Roger"
"Ron from Wisconsin"
"Ron from Oregon"
"Roy from Missouri"
"Roy from Alabama" (except hopefully not)
"Sheldon from Rhode Island"
"Shelley from West Virginia"
"Sherrod"
"Steve"
"Susan"
"Tammy from Wisconsin"
"Tammy from Illinois"
"Ted from Texas"
"Thad"
"Thom from North Carolina"
"Tim from Virginia"
"Tim from South Carolina"
"Todd"
"Tom from Delaware"
"Tom from Arkansas"
"Tom from New Mexico"

[Brittain33]

Collins did say she wasn't a yes on the final bill. Collins + Corker + = Failed bill.

= House passing the Senate bill

I'd argue that the freedom caucus could derail that notion.

Actually, it's the gaffe on corporate AMT that Wulfric mentioned a few days ago. That's what makes that mistake so significant: The House WILL NOT pass the Senate bill.

You may be right, but since the House was willing to pass skinny repeal, I think they'd be more afraid of doing nothing than of passing the Senate bill which accidentally repeals the R&D credit. I don't think there are any bright red lines there.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

You know, I just thought of something.

How much more entertaining would the Senate be if they went by the "Trump Convention" and started naming members by first names (including nicknames)?

We'd be able to have a roll call that sounds like this:

"Al"
"Amy"
"Angus"
"Ben from Maryland"
"Ben from Nebraska"
"Crazy Bernie"
"Bob from Pennsylvania"
"Bob from Tennessee"
"Bob from New Jersey"
"Bill from Louisiana"
"Brian"
"Crooked Catherine"
"Chris from Delaware"
"Chris from Connecticut"
"Chris from Maryland"
"Chuck from Iowa"
"Cuck Chuck from New York"
"Claire"
"Cory from New Jersey"
"Cory from Colorado"
"Dan"
"David"
"Deb from Nebraska"
"Debbie from Michigan"
"Dean"
"Dianne"
"Dick from Illinois"
"Ed from Massachusetts"
"Gary"
"Heidi"
"Jack from Rhode Island"
"James L. from Oklahoma"
"Jeanne"
"Flakey Jeff from Arizona"
"Jeff from Oregon"
"Jerry"
"Jim I. from Oklahoma"
"Jim from Idaho"
"Joe from Indiana"
"Joe from West Virginia"
"Johnny from Georgia"
"John from Wyoming"
"John from Arkansas"
"John from Texas"
"John from North Dakota"
"John from Louisiana"
"John from Arizona"
"John from South Dakota"
"Jon from Montana"
"Joni"
"Kamala"
"Kirsten"
"Lamar
"RINO Lindsey"
"Lisa"
"Pocahontas Liz"
"Little Marco"
"Maggie"
"Mark"
"Martin"
"Mazie"
"Michael from Colorado"
"Mike from Idaho"
"Mike from Wyoming"
"Mike from Utah"
"Mike from South Dakota"
"Mitch"
"Orrin"
"Pat from Vermont"
"Pat from Kansas"
"Pat from Pennsylvania"
"Patty from Washington"
"Rand"
"Richard from Connecticut"
"Richard from North Carolina"
"Richard from Alabama"
"Rob from Ohio"
"Roger"
"Ron from Wisconsin"
"Ron from Oregon"
"Roy from Missouri"
"Roy from Alabama" (except hopefully not)
"Sheldon from Rhode Island"
"Shelley from West Virginia"
"Sherrod"
"Steve"
"Susan"
"Tammy from Wisconsin"
"Tammy from Illinois"
"Lyin' Ted from Texas"
"Thad"
"Thom from North Carolina"
"Tim from Virginia"
"Tim from South Carolina"
"Todd"
"Tom from Delaware"
"Tom from Arkansas"
"Tom from New Mexico"

The Trump convention also includes insults. Edited a few.