Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[mvd10]

Asscher is speaking now.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

[jaichind]

How fast will results come in?  We had nothing  new for a while now.

[Lachi]

Schiermoonikoog and Vlieland has seen the PvdA vote. collapse

[ApatheticAustrian]

Center-center? It's full-on right-wing on economics, but extremely progressive on immaterial issues.

that's what i meant...left-right seems to divide itself out in this party.

guess it not depends on who likes whom and what are the priorities.....right-wing economics should make it easier for everyone.

btw.....if the SGP youth is so big.....can i imagine them as some kind of alt-righters or other provocateurs?


what's btw your personal opinion re: the results?

[Zinneke]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

*warning* potentially biased answer

Its their right-wing crypto-conspiracy theories that make them somewhat popular with people who are perhaps tired of Wilders' antics.  I wouldn't take the FvD's talk of direct democracy very seriously. Its like Orban or Kacsinski's movements. Their ''referenda'' are worthy of the Soviet regimes that preceded them.

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

This. NL is a net contributor to the EU budget, and its protestant culture makes debt something very badly seen upon. schuld means both debt and guilt in Dutch.

Asscher is about to resign I think. I know have to admit Samsom would have at least done better because Asscher really ed himself in the debates.

[SunSt0rm]

I wonder whether the PvdA will be back to 25-30 seats in 4 years if we get a centre-right government. It might happen, but GL will try to become the main left-wing party. I don't think GL's appeal is broad enough for that but we can't rule it out.

And I really can't see how Asscher stays on after losing 29 seats. Dijsselbloem will remain in politics (probably as a MP since I don't think the PvdA will be in government) and I think he has bigger ambitions than being a backbench MP. And they always can appoint Aboutaleb (the very popular mayor of Rotterdam) leader.

Wait, Djissembloem is from PvdA?!?
I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

He is quite popular, my parents like him, but they are right of the centre

[mvd10]

I don't know much about the SGP youth, but they are no alt-righters. They are just really conservative on social issues. Like the religious right in the US.

[mvd10]

Asscher didn't resign btw. Spekman (the chairman) probably will be gone though.

[Diouf]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

[SunSt0rm]

Roemer now

Wonder he will resign or not

[mvd10]

I don't think Baudet will be kingmaker. I can't see him working with VVD, CDA and D66. His main theme was breaking up the party cartel.

[SunSt0rm]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

[Zinneke]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

But he's Murdoch's boy now.

[Lachi]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

[SunSt0rm]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

Its going to be

VVD+CDA+D66+GL

or

VVD+CDA+D66+CU with possible outside support of SGP

[DavidB.]

AD's poll in Heemskerk was pretty good

[mvd10]

So, using the exit poll, is anyone coming up with any potential coalitions?

VVD-CDA-D66-GL or VVD-CDA-D66-CU with outside support from SGP. There are problems with both coalitions. GL probably doesn't want to work with 3 centre-right parties and D66 would clash with the social conservatives of CU and SGP. But both are possible, I think VVD-CDA-D66-CU-SGP is most likely though. VVD-CDA-D66-PvdA also has a majority but the PvdA isn't going to do that. CDA-D66-GL-SP-PvdA also has a majority but I don't think CDA will do it. They can threaten Rutte with it though.

[mvd10]

We currently are witnessing a (presumably) drunk Henk Krol dancing lol.

[SPQR]

I always thought he was a right-wing politician given his hawkish budgetary stances...no wonder PvdA is getting slaughtered.

wouldn't associate that so directly....some countries are much more fiscal conservatives than others and still got a left-right divide on many issues.

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.
Honestly, Djissembloem is just as conservative as Katainen or Schaeuble...and that's pretty much saying it all.

[SunSt0rm]

Apparantly in a migrant neighbor, Denk is getting 1/3 of the vote

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

  I just read about the Fvd.  Did they attract some former PVV voters? Also, would they be considered viable coalition partners if they had won more seats?  I like how national direct democracy is a key plank of theirs, though I believe D66 is for that too and it doesn't seem as if they've achieved much in spite of being in government over the years.

The Times readers are particularly eager to know what the kingmaker will do now...

lol, he is nowhere to be kingmaker

PvdD have a better case of being kingmaker lol.

Also, I'm guessing DENK is going to be regretted by the Turkish community sooner or later. Hopefully they aren't overtaken by islamists.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.

NL is paying a lot of money, didn't cheat re: its financial situation, wasn't in such a big crisis as other countries.....you are a leading member of a social-democratic party and next to you grows a far-right-wing populist party with left-wing economics...for the dutch....mostly voted for by your own former electorate.

what do you do? pushing the notion that we need to forgive and forget everything and save greece once more, even while politicans over there are calling your NAZI....or try to be center-center?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well, so basically everybody but PvdA claim that they achieved a success as now I read what leaders/speakers said on media? Kinda cute. I am glad that CU maybe will get one more MP. But Kuzu and Ozturk in parliament is kind of sad joke.

[DavidB.]

Makes no sense to take the exit poll too literally. As if Roemer lost 1 seat. We don't know yet. Last time around they treated CU as if they had won for the first two hours or so, but they remained stable at 5 anyway. SP could as well have 15 seats this time around and not lose anything, CU could as well have 5 and not win anything. NOS are getting ahead of themselves once again. Let's wait for actual results coming in for parties for which the margins are this small.