Libertarian National Convention thread

[publicunofficial]

Gary Johnson losing would be hysterical.

The Libertarian Party base lashing out and yelling 'NO, WE REFUSE TO BE ELECTABLE!" would send my sides into orbit.

[SATW]

Gary Johnson losing would be hysterical.

Yes, it would! #Petersen2016

[libertpaulian]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Johnson gets the nod, but Petersen is the compromise candidate for VP.

[sparkey]

Unsurprisingly, the radicals prefer Coley for VP, but they're not likely to get a majority behind him. The emerging compromise VP candidate seems to be Larry Sharpe, which worries me, because he's some random business consultant who hasn't been vetted at all. We've picked non-vetted VP candidates before, which ended up being a terrible idea. I have 2004 in mind with that.

[Reluctant Republican]

I'm not sure how much trouble Weld's really in. Everything I've read says he bombed at the debate, but he then won the poll taken right after it by a pretty significant margin, in what seems to have been a fairly unfriendly crowd.

Also, I recall hearing that Root only got VP in 2008 because a lot of the radicals got disgusted and left when Barr was nominated, not taking part in the voting for VP afterwards. If that happens again if Johnson is nominated, its hard for me to see Weld not being picked.  

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I'm not sure how much trouble Weld's really in. Everything I've read says he bombed at the debate, but he then won the poll taken right after it by a pretty significant margin, in what seems to have been a fairly unfriendly crowd.

Also, I recall hearing that Root only got VP in 2008 because a lot of the radicals got disgusted and left when Barr was nominated, not taking part in the voting for VP afterwards. If that happens again if Johnson is nominated, its hard for me to see Weld not being picked.  

And so they should have, Barr was a terrible choice. I voted Baldwin/Constitution Party that year.

[Holmes]

I got a glimpse of this - Weld looks depressed.

It's because he's at a Libertarian convention.

[Coolface Sock #42069]

The LP just seriously considered dropping its pro-choice abortion plank. It failed, though, the LP is still officially a pro-choice party.

Boy, talk about trying to pander to #NeverTrump...

Even as a moderate pro-lifer myself, I don't really see how any party that calls itself "libertarian" can be anything but pro-choice, but I guess you could say that the unborn child has a right to life and that it's the government's duty to protect the rights of life, liberty, and property only?

[PaperKooper]

When does the voting for President begin?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

When does the voting for President begin?

9:45 AM EST tomorrow. It's televised on cspan.

[mds32]

The Libertarians better hope to have an ounce of sanity in them for this election. When they are polling double to near double digits in 3 states (Utah, New Mexico, and Wisconsin) they better nominate the person that can do that.

[The Other Castro]

I feel like this will go to three ballots.

[sparkey]

This convention has been nothing but bad news for the McAfee campaign so far. He has a poor performance in the preliminary debate and places a distant 4th in the straw poll. Then his running mate has a poor performance in the preliminary VP debate and doesn't even make the main debate. Now rumor is McAfee is struggling to get enough tokens for the main debate, while Johnson, Petersen, and Perry are having no trouble.

[This account no longer in use.]

And to think that I thought McAfee would easily get second.

[Bacon King]

let's livechat the livestream in IRC

http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23atlasforum&server=173.255.253.218

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This convention has been nothing but bad news for the McAfee campaign so far. He has a poor performance in the preliminary debate and places a distant 4th in the straw poll. Then his running mate has a poor performance in the preliminary VP debate and doesn't even make the main debate. Now rumor is McAfee is struggling to get enough tokens for the main debate, while Johnson, Petersen, and Perry are having no trouble.

Go Perry! Would love to see an atlas user on a televised debate! (8 EST tonight, cspan)

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The following are viable enough to have nomination speeches: Johnson, Perry, McAfee, Petersen, Feldman, (Kevin) Mccormick  (!)

https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/736636540105850881

[PaperKooper]

The following are viable enough to have nomination speeches: Johnson, Perry, McAfee, Petersen, Feldman, (Kevin) Mccormick  (!)

https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/736636540105850881

I wonder if the order of names means anything.

[Lyin' Steve]

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From what I've read it just seems like a lot of the people there have a huge independent, special-snowflake streak and value that more than putting together a viable ticket.  Poor Bill Weld may be sacrificed to satiate the Libertarian ego.  They can nominate Reddit-debate-thread-robot Austin Peterson and, I don't even know, some guy who owns a Wendys in Harlem and writes posts on internet forums about libertarianism, and go back to fighting with the Green Party and the Constitution Party for third place.

Also, libertarian ideas are stupid, for the record.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

When does the voting for President begin?

9:45 AM EST tomorrow. It's televised on cspan.

sh**t I'm gonna have to be on the road at like 5:00 AM if I head up tomorrow.

[sparkey]

Token counts: Johnson 225, Petersen 106, Perry 105, McAfee 96, Feldman 79, McCormick 44, Shannon 22, Vermin Supreme 19, Zeman 8.

86 needed for debate, 30 needed to be a candidate.

[Maxwell]

A daily reminder that Darryl W. Perry has not actually filed with the FEC.

http://darrylwperry.com/open-letter-to-the-fec/

[sparkey]

More tokens added before they were 100% finalized, here is the final tally, Feldman makes the debate:

Johnson 226
Petersen 106
Perry 105
McAfee 97
Feldman 89
McCormick 45
Shannon 23
Vermin Supreme 20
Zeman 8
Sterling 5
Robinson 5
Reid 4
Donaghe 3
Griffis 1
Dearn 1
Smith 1

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

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From what I've read it just seems like a lot of the people there have a huge independent, special-snowflake streak and value that more than putting together a viable ticket.  Poor Bill Weld may be sacrificed to satiate the Libertarian ego.  They can nominate Reddit-debate-thread-robot Austin Peterson and, I don't even know, some guy who owns a Wendys in Harlem and writes posts on internet forums about libertarianism, and go back to fighting with the Green Party and the Constitution Party for third place.

Also, libertarian ideas are stupid, for the record.

All libertarian ideas? Even the ones that mesh with either half of the red/blue sides?  Or do you just mean the extreme ideas like very small government, no taxation, gold standard, etc? 

[Lyin' Steve]

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From what I've read it just seems like a lot of the people there have a huge independent, special-snowflake streak and value that more than putting together a viable ticket.  Poor Bill Weld may be sacrificed to satiate the Libertarian ego.  They can nominate Reddit-debate-thread-robot Austin Peterson and, I don't even know, some guy who owns a Wendys in Harlem and writes posts on internet forums about libertarianism, and go back to fighting with the Green Party and the Constitution Party for third place.

Also, libertarian ideas are stupid, for the record.

All libertarian ideas? Even the ones that mesh with either half of the red/blue sides?  Or do you just mean the extreme ideas like very small government, no taxation, gold standard, etc? 

The extreme ideas.  But also the general underlying philosophy that those extreme ideas are a natural extension of.  A well-functioning central government is key to making a society greater than the sum of its parts.  Whether we have such a government or not can be debated but to say that the ideal is to not have one is ludicrous.