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« Reply #700 on: August 10, 2013, 12:31:49 PM »
Former O'Connor MP Wilson "Ironbar" Tuckey offers his thoughts on Kevin Rudd, Peter Beattie, and the upcoming federal election.

When is the debate between Rudd and Abbott scheduled?
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« Reply #701 on: August 10, 2013, 12:36:24 PM »
Debate's tomorrow evening at the National Press Club. Probably won't move the needle unless someone gaffes.
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« Reply #702 on: August 10, 2013, 12:51:22 PM »
Why would anyone want to hear the 'thoughts' of that disgusting racist thug? The sooner he dies the better.
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« Reply #703 on: August 10, 2013, 09:09:10 PM »
Can someone post a link of the debate?  Not sure if I get it here in America.
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« Reply #704 on: August 10, 2013, 10:31:59 PM »
I'd doubt they'd undo the geo-lock for the debate
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« Reply #705 on: August 10, 2013, 10:37:15 PM »
Quote from: Senator Polnut on August 10, 2013, 10:31:59 PM
I'd doubt they'd undo the geo-lock for the debate

I keep forgetting that.
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« Reply #706 on: August 10, 2013, 10:53:57 PM »
Regardless of the fact that they needed to be dumped, dumping candidates is always a very bad look.
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« Reply #707 on: August 10, 2013, 11:27:07 PM »
The Debate will dominate tonight and tomorrow and the PEFO will do Tuesday and Wednesday - it's not great, but could be worse
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« Reply #708 on: August 10, 2013, 11:54:34 PM »
PEFO?
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« Reply #709 on: August 11, 2013, 12:01:52 AM »
Pre-election Fiscal Outlook
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« Reply #710 on: August 11, 2013, 03:31:08 AM »
Debate about to begin ...
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« Reply #711 on: August 11, 2013, 03:39:24 AM »
Is that Abbott tapping his pen during KRudd's opening?
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« Reply #712 on: August 11, 2013, 03:46:03 AM »
That was really irritating ...
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« Reply #713 on: August 11, 2013, 03:58:19 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2013, 04:08:06 AM by Senator Polnut »
Speaking of irritating, I'm not happy with Rudd's reliance on notes.

Abbott is doing pretty well... not unexpectedly
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« Reply #714 on: August 11, 2013, 04:19:14 AM »
The worm is clearly a Labor plant.
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« Reply #715 on: August 11, 2013, 04:20:24 AM »
I'm watching the worm more than the debate. Rudd is pretty much maxing out on every issue, Abbott is floating around the midpoint half the time, and under the other half.
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« Reply #716 on: August 11, 2013, 04:26:14 AM »
OK, so apparently the channel 7 worm is online, anyone can access. I believe 9's in a representative group. 9's is hugely pro-Rudd, 7's is pro-Abbott, and 10's is roughly neutral. Not sure how 10's doing theirs.
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« Reply #717 on: August 11, 2013, 04:27:58 AM »
Which worm are you seeing?

Overall - Abbott looked a lot more prepared ... Rudd was too reliant on notes and could have walloped Abbott on costings but kept going back to the GST.

I'd give it Abbott - but not decively
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« Reply #718 on: August 11, 2013, 04:34:15 AM »
I'd give it to Abbott as well, although I may be a tad biased in my opinion.
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« Reply #719 on: August 11, 2013, 04:42:46 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2013, 04:48:02 AM by Senator Polnut »
Seven poll (which was publicly 'tweakable') had Abbott with a massive win.
Nine reaction was strong for Rudd
It seems 10 didn't like anyone...

I think public response is lean Rudd overall ... but also people were overwhelmed by how BORING it was. I think it's a sign that both people know this is line-ball... no one felt any comfort to take a chance.
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« Reply #720 on: August 11, 2013, 05:56:26 AM »
The big question was, was it better than the 2010 debate? I never watch debates now.
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« Reply #721 on: August 11, 2013, 06:06:40 AM »
Actually I think 2010 was slightly more interesting...
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« Reply #722 on: August 11, 2013, 06:29:15 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2013, 07:07:11 AM by Senator Polnut »
My thoughts are - neither delivered a knockout, a clear win for Rudd would have put more focus on Abbott, a clear win for Abbott probably would have started to make Rudd look like a bit of a lame-duck. So if the public is to be believed and this was a tie/lean Rudd - it's not great result for either, but Abbott comes out with any advantage if any because Rudd would be perceived as under-performing.

I will say Rudd's commitment to a Marriage Equality Bill within 100 days... is interesting. A Bill with Rudd's support would put the Liberal party room in a tricky spot. I did find Abbott's response of "it's an important issue, but we have more pressing issues" pretty empty.
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« Reply #723 on: August 11, 2013, 08:03:05 AM »
« Edited: August 11, 2013, 08:16:18 AM by Senator Polnut »
Newspoll is out... headlines are unchanged at 52-48... considering the primary votes 35/46 (-2/+2) ... the Greens must have spiked.

Rudd's lead as preferred PM is apparently down to 9, 46-37...

Hmmm... not sure what to make of it.
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« Reply #724 on: August 11, 2013, 08:20:56 AM »
Rudd's approvals and PPM are falling. Looks like a stall to me, though of course this is only Week 2.
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