French Legislative Election 2017

[adma]

Get the f**k out of this thread you dumbass.

Lol, sorry, but I really would like to see EM's success replicated elsewhere, particularly in the UK. Plus, Corbyn really could become PM soon enough, and I think it'd be a disaster.

"Flawless, beautiful" to a tyranny-of-the-centre fault.  That is, boring as f**k.  The only un-boring thing being the plethora of first-round knockouts for sitting parliamentarians (incl. Hamon).

Maybe you do, but I don't mind politics being boring at all.

The think is, Britain was led by Flawless Beautiful Centrists from 1997-2007 and from 2010-2016. In case you hadn't noticed,  on both occasions it ended in a complete disaster.

And actually (and as per the subject of this forum), if we want to get away from politics into actual *elections*, thanks to the ghost of partisanship those leaderships weren't even (not even Blair's) LREM-scale landslides.  Remember, especially, that 2010-16 was a bare minority followed by a bare majority.

Heatcharger reminds me of the sort of person who prefers to do *all* of his French, uh, travel and sightseeing by "flawless, beautiful" autoroutes and TGV; and the more of those, the better...

[Zinneke]

I thnk the PCF and FI really blocked themselves in some places.
Spoiler candidates leaving LREM with big pluralities and up against either LR or FN.

Secterianism at its finest.

[SunSt0rm]

Constitiuency Map with second placers

[palandio]

I think the PCF and FI really blocked themselves in some places.
Spoiler candidates leaving LREM with big pluralities and up against either LR or FN.

Sectarianism at its finest.

Yes, there where some places like that.

But at the same time in most places the FI-PCF split was not 50-50. And most places are not winnable for FI/PCF to begin with, at least against LREM (against FN is a different story).

But in some places it hurts, e.g. Bouches-du-Rhône 7.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Few among many.

[Zanas]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

[Sozialliberal]

R.I.P. Parti socialiste (1969–2017)

[Gustaf]

Constitiuency Map with second placers

So, can someone count these?

[Tintrlvr]

LREM/MoDem: leading in 449 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 513 constituencies.
LR/UDI/DVD: leading in 67 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 300 constituencies.
FN: leading in 20 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 118 constituencies.
PS/EELV/DVG: leading in 27 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 73 constituencies.
FI/PCF: leading in 8 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 69 constituencies.

I think all EELV candidates were eliminated in the first round, which has got to be apocalyptic for the party. Any counter-examples?

[Kamala]

LREM/MoDem: leading in 449 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 513 constituencies.
LR/UDI/DVD: leading in 67 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 300 constituencies.
FN: leading in 20 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 118 constituencies.
PS/EELV/DVG: leading in 27 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 73 constituencies.
FI/PCF: leading in 8 constituencies, will be in the runoff in 69 constituencies.

I think all EELV candidates were eliminated in the first round, which has got to be apocalyptic for the party. Any counter-examples?

Doubs 2nd

[Tirnam]

Constitiuency Map with second placers

So, can someone count these?

LREM-Right: 273
LREM-Left: 134
LREM-Far right: 99
Left-Right: 20
PS-FN: 6
Right-FN: 4
PS-FI: 2
FI-FN: 1
LREM-LR-FN: 1

I think all EELV candidates were eliminated in the first round, which has got to be apocalyptic for the party. Any counter-examples?

In Doubs, 2nd, the EELV candidate is leading (no LREM candidate against him)

[Antonio the Sixth]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

Dude, I'm going to take a couple hours and pay $20-30 in car ride to get to my polling station and cast a spoiled vote in my LREM-LR matchup. Surely you can walk to yours and spend a couple minutes do the same. Don't be one of those lazy f**ks who are the reason our democracy is a joke.

[Famous Mortimer]

Are all the run-offs top 3 or do you have to win a certain amount to make it to the run-off?

[Barnes]

Are all the run-offs top 3 or do you have to win a certain amount to make it to the run-off?

Anyone who scores 12.5% of all registered voters is allowed to participate. The turnout was so low, I think there's only one Triangulare this time around. In fact, it was so anemic, most second place candidates didn't even pass the 12.5% themselves!

[heatcharger]

Large absention rates from Le Pen and Mélenchon supporters:

The thing is, Britain was led by Flawless Beautiful Centrists from 1997-2007 and from 2010-2016. In case you hadn't noticed, on both occasions, it ended in a complete disaster.

I'm not excusing Blair, and especially not Cameron. The former got caught up in unnecessary interventions, particularly in Iraq, while the latter put all his eggs into the Brexit basket, and then proceeded to run an inane campaign that would lead to his exit. But neither of their downfalls were because of their lack of ability to govern, at least domestically. If Macron can deliver on the necessary reforms needed to make France more economically competitive without falling into huge landmines like those two did, it'll be a success. I just want that to happen in the UK as well.

Heatcharger reminds me of the sort of person who prefers to do *all* of his French, uh, travel and sightseeing by "flawless, beautiful" autoroutes and TGV; and the more of those, the better...

Haha, I've never been outside of Paris though...

[DavidB.]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

Dude, I'm going to take a couple hours and pay $20-30 in car ride to get to my polling station and cast a spoiled vote in my LREM-LR matchup. Surely you can walk to yours and spend a couple minutes do the same. Don't be one of those lazy f**ks who are the reason our democracy is a joke.

Respect.

The French govt is not the only organization with power to govern the labour market. The real question is how willing he will be to stomp on worker's democratic rights and how strong the worker's resistance will be.

Nothing "democratic" about using violence to prevent a democratically elected president with a democratic parliamentary majority from implementing his policies. If these people want their policies to be implemented perhaps they should just try and win an election for a change.

[windjammer]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

Dude, I'm going to take a couple hours and pay $20-30 in car ride to get to my polling station and cast a spoiled vote in my LREM-LR matchup. Surely you can walk to yours and spend a couple minutes do the same. Don't be one of those lazy f**ks who are the reason our democracy is a joke.

I mean, the democratic system has become a total joke where a marketing product with no political idea can be elected president and have 75% of the legislative seats, where literally 40% of the population voted for someone who was facing big corruption scandals. So honestly, I understand why people don't bother to vote,  french politics are a massive joke.


(I'm of course vote but I understand why people aren't interested in losing their free time)

[Antonio the Sixth]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

Dude, I'm going to take a couple hours and pay $20-30 in car ride to get to my polling station and cast a spoiled vote in my LREM-LR matchup. Surely you can walk to yours and spend a couple minutes do the same. Don't be one of those lazy f**ks who are the reason our democracy is a joke.

I mean, the democratic system has become a total joke where a marketing product with no political idea can be elected president and have 75% of the legislative seats, where literally 40% of the population voted for someone who was facing big corruption scandals. So honestly, I understand why people don't bother to vote,  french politics are a massive joke.

It's a matter of principle. Democracy only works if most people willing to sacrifice a little something to participate in it. The cost of voting in France (at least in mainland France) is so minimal that there's no valid excuse not to make this sacrifice. If people can't even be bothered to do that, then what they're saying is that they might as well live in a dictatorship.

[windjammer]

I happen to live in one of only two metropolitan constituencies where the runoff will be between PS and FI. Sadly, I also happen to vote in one of the many where it will be LREM-LR, so at least I have my day free on Sunday !

Dude, I'm going to take a couple hours and pay $20-30 in car ride to get to my polling station and cast a spoiled vote in my LREM-LR matchup. Surely you can walk to yours and spend a couple minutes do the same. Don't be one of those lazy f**ks who are the reason our democracy is a joke.

I mean, the democratic system has become a total joke where a marketing product with no political idea can be elected president and have 75% of the legislative seats, where literally 40% of the population voted for someone who was facing big corruption scandals. So honestly, I understand why people don't bother to vote,  french politics are a massive joke.

It's a matter of principle. Democracy only works if most people willing to sacrifice a little something to participate in it. The cost of voting in France (at least in mainland France) is so minimal that there's no valid excuse not to make this sacrifice. If people can't even be bothered to do that, then what they're saying is that they might as well live in a dictatorship.

Principles are bullsh**t,

And we indeed live in a dictatorship of the medias that managed to sell this marketing product.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Principles are bullsh**t,

Principles are the only thing that truly matters.

[windjammer]

Principles are bullsh**t,

Principles are the only thing that truly matters.

The decapitated head of Ned Stark sends its regard

[Antonio the Sixth]

Principles are bullsh**t,

Principles are the only thing that truly matters.

The decapitated head of Ned Stark sends its regard

Ned Stark is great. Thanks for proving my point.

[windjammer]

Principles are bullsh**t,

Principles are the only thing that truly matters.

The decapitated head of Ned Stark sends its regard

Ned Stark is great. Thanks for proving my point.

Ned Stark is a huge moron who was more concentrated on his ing principles than being pragmatic. He wanted to kill Jaime Lannister for having killed Aerys while he literally saved hundred thousand of men. It was so much honourable to serve his king no matter he does when he said nothing when well known rapist Robert Baratheon was beating his wife in front of him.

A such great character whose stupidty and honour led to the demise of his house, to his death, to the death of his wife and his brother and to the rape of his daughter.

Nice guy FF

[Vosem]

Not voting is obviously profoundly dumb (and I would say that casting a blank vote instead of voting for whoever the marginally lesser evil does not strike me as a very useful way to make your voice heard, but I guess I can respect this), but the entire point of Ned Stark's character is to demonstrate that you can't really have the attitude he does and expect to accomplish a whole lot.

[Tintrlvr]

Not voting is obviously profoundly dumb (and I would say that casting a blank vote instead of voting for whoever the marginally lesser evil does not strike me as a very useful way to make your voice heard, but I guess I can respect this), but the entire point of Ned Stark's character is to demonstrate that you can't really have the attitude he does and expect to accomplish a whole lot.

To be fair (?) to the Ned Starks of the world, he ultimately fails because of some dumb decisions that were not necessarily on principle (warning Cersei of his intentions in advance, e.g., which was intended to avoid her children being killed, but he also could have provided for their safety easily enough himself after the fact).

(This conversation is squarely on topic.)